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3001 Luttrell, Edward (1756–1824)

This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 2, (MUP), 1967

Edward Luttrell (1756-1824), surgeon, was the son of Major Southcott Hungerford Luttrell, whose father was Edward Luttrell of Dunster, Somerset, England. His grandmother Ann, née Hungerford, was descended from the lords of Irnham and other noble families. He married a clergyman's daughter, Martha Walters, and they had six sons and four daughters. In 1803 he was in private practice in Kent, England, when like some other settlers he was given permission to go to New South Wales; because of his family and his property he was thought likely 'to cultivate his land … with greater facility than most of the settlers who have preceded him' and Governor Philip Gidley King was also instructed to give him a medical post when a vacancy occurred. In June 1804 Luttrell arrived at Port Jackson with his wife and eight children in the Experiment, Captain Withers, but soon afterwards his 'Feelings as a Father were much wounded', for one of his sons who had sailed twice with Withers deserted the ship in Sydney, and a daughter eloped with Withers when the Experiment sailed.

Luttrell was granted 400 choice acres (162 ha) near Mulgrave Place on the Hawkesbury, rations for his family and ten assigned servants, livestock, seed and tools. He soon had ten acres (4 ha) under wheat and bought some 400 sheep, but he was quickly disillusioned by the high costs, thefts, isolation and seasonal vagaries which, described at length in his letters to official friends in London, denied the fulfilment of his social ambitions and dreams. In June 1805 Luttrell was appointed assistant colonial surgeon at 5s. a day, with duties at Sydney and Parramatta. In 1807 he became friendly with Governor William Bligh, and 'although unused to a Sea life, and being upwards of Fifty' he was appointed to H.M.S. Porpoise as a naval surgeon at 10s. a day and made five voyages in her. To his dismay he was superseded in November 1808 but, after, applying to Lieutenant-Governor Paterson for reinstatement in his former position, he was appointed in February 1809 as acting assistant-surgeon in charge of the hospital for the sick of the military establishments at Parramatta, for which he was paid 5s. a day. Luttrell sought land grants for his eight children, and in August Paterson granted 125 acres (51 ha) in the Evan district to each. Governor Lachlan Macquarie confirmed these, but in June 1813 he reported that he would not recommend Luttrell for promotion or additional pay since he was 'totally undeserving … deficient … in Humanity and in Attention to his Duty … sordid and Unfeeling and will not Afford any Medical Assistance to any Person who cannot pay him well for it'.

Macquarie had received many complaints of Luttrell's negligence and had more than once severely admonished him, and would have suspended him were it not for his large family. In April 1814 Luttrell was moved from Parramatta to Sydney, to be under the eye of the principal surgeon, D'Arcy Wentworth. Next year he was given a choice of retiring to his farm on a pension or of returning to the Parramatta Hospital, but in August he was appointed acting colonial surgeon at Hobart Town at a salary of £182 10s. He moved there in January 1816. He cleared himself of some charges by proving that he suffered from a severe rheumatic affection which often crippled him, but Macquarie told the Colonial Office that Luttrell, although 'not deemed deficient in professional Skill … is … Criminally inattentive to his Patients … extremely Irritable and Violent in his Temper and Very Infirm from Dissipation', and should be retired on half-pay. This for the time the office refused and Macquarie, thinking again of his large family, was reluctant to displace him.

In Hobart Luttrell was in constant trouble with Lieutenant-Governor William Sorell for being a boon companion of Thomas Davey, for irregular attendance at the hospital and gaol and for negligence in submitting returns. He was censured for making false accusations, and repeatedly recommended for retirement. The Colonial Office in 1818 gave Macquarie permission to place Luttrell on half-pay, but not until June 1821, when James Scott was appointed, was it possible to replace him. Luttrell died at his home in Bridge Street on 10 June 1824 in his sixty-eighth year. His widow, after many appeals, was allowed a pension of £50; she died in May 1832.
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LUTTRELLS IN AUSTRALIA

DR. EDWARD LUTTRELL

From "A History of Dunster" by Sir H. C. Maxwell Lyte, 1909.

Edward Luttrell, the second son of Major Southcote Hungerford Luttrell, was born in England in 1757. Elizabeth Hungerford, relict of George Hungerford of Studley House, near Calne, was his godmother. He was practising as a surgeon at Tonbridge in 1792 when he wrote a short account of a treatment of gangrene with alkalis and acids. An official despatch of the 30th of November 1803 describes him as a surgeon of considerable reputation in Kent, who was about to proceed to New South Wales on board the 'Experiment', with a view to settling there. A colonial return made two years later shows that he then had a wife and seven children. From January 1807 to September 1808, he was acting as surgeon on H. M. S. 'Porpoise", a store-ship stationed off the coast of New South Wales. Having then leave from the Captain to go inland to visit his family at Paramatta, he fell ill and was unable to return when summoned. Commodore Bligh, however, his irascible superior, refused to believe his story, and said that he must come on board dead or alive. Eventurally an 'R' was put against his name in the ship's book, to indicate that he had "run", and this stigma was not removed until after a consideration of the case by the Board of Admiralty more than ten years later. From New South Wales Dr. Edward Luttrell removed to Van Dieman's Land, where he became Surgeon General. Dying on the 10th of June 1824, he was buried at Hobart. Martha his relict, daughter of the Rev. _____ Walters, was buried beside him in May 1832.

The Luttrell family in the Australian colonies has so increased and spread that it has not been found practicable to give details here of the births, marriages and deaths of its different scions. Of Dr. Edward Luttrell's six sons, four indeed died without issue. Hungerford, the eldest, a surgeon, died of fever off the coast of Africa. Edward, the second, was lost at sea in the Indian Ocean on board the "Governor Macquarie", in 1811. Robert the third, was killed by natives at Paramatta in New South Wales, in 1812. Oscar, the fifth, was killed by natives near Melbourne in 1838.

Alfred Luttrell, fourth son of Dr. Edward Luttrell, died at Hobart in February 1865. He had issue seven sons: Edward, John, Alfred, Robert, Frederick, William and Edwin, and five daughters.

Edgar Luttrell, sixth son of Dr. Edward Luttrell, died at Hobart in May 1865. He had issue seven sons, Edward Hungerford, Edgar, Wilmot Southcote Hungerford, George Walter, Edmund B. S., Tasman, and Alfred, and four daughters. 
LUTTRELL, Edward (I14610)
 
3002 m 24 Jan 1687/88 Phillip Hicks, gent, vicar of Gulvall, and Mrs. Phillip Harris. Family (F4431)
 
3003 m firstly ([after 1035]) HERLEVE, mistress of ROBERT II Duke of Normandy, daughter of FULBERT & his wife [Doda/Duwa] --- (-[1050]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Herleva Fulberti cubicularii ducis filia” as the mother of “Willelmus...ex concubina Roberti ducis...natus“, and that after Duke Robert died “Herluinus...miles” married her by whom he had “duos filios Odonem et Robertum”[863]. The dating of her marriage is in doubt: William of Malmesbury records that it took place “ante patris [referring to Robert II Duke of Normandy] obitum”[864]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Herluinus...de Contavilla” married “Herlevam Rodberti ducis concubinam”[865]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the mother of Duke Guillaume as "filia…Herbertus pelliparius et uxor eius Doda sive Duwa", specifying that the family was from Chaumont in the diocese of Liège but moved to Falaise although others said that they were from Huy, and specifies her marriage to "Herlewino de Vado comitis"[866]. Orderic Vitalis calls her "Duke Robert's concubine", and specifies her marriage, referring to her husband as stepfather to Duke Guillaume[867]. She presumably died before her husband founded the abbey of Grestain as she is not referred to in the abbey's confirmation charter dated 14 Nov 1189[868]. Robert of Torigny's De Immutatione Ordinis Monachorum records that "Herluinus de Contevilla…et Herleve uxor eius" were buried in "mon. Sanctæ Mariæ Gresteni"[869].

[863] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
[864] Stubbs, W. (ed.) (1889) Willelmi Malmesbiriensis monachi De Gestis Regum Anglorum, Vol. II (London) (“Willelmi Malmesbiriensis”), Liber III, 277, p. 333.
[865] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VII, XV, p. 246.
[866] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1032, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 784-5.
[867] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. IV, Book VII, p. 99.
[868] Quoted in CP VII 125 footnote g (from previous page). 
Herleva, of Falaise (I14050)
 
3004 m of a Thomas Rowlett to Sarah Hart 6 Feb 1672 at St. Martin, Canterbury to
and one to Mary Mace on 27 Jun 1675 but the marriage licence for this one gives surname as Rowland not Rowlett
Burial of a Thomas Rowlett Sr at St. Martin 27 May 1694, clearly not this particular Thomas as he was buried at Monkton in 1622 (see below).


Burial of a Thomas Rowlett at Monkton on 12 Nov 1622
Inv Rowlett Thomas Monkton 1622 1622 PRC/28/11/517 1622 
ROWLETT, Thomas (I13865)
 
3005 M.A. (Eversheds, Abinger Hammer, Surrey) CORKE, Hilary Topham (I8418)
 
3006 M.A., Trinity College, Cambridge. CARTER, Rev'd Charles Edwin James (I9540)
 
3007 M.D. SHIRLEY, Thomas (I8955)
 
3008 M.D. WHALLEY, Robert (I8968)
 
3009 M.D. Canterbury died at age 88 CARTER, William (I7256)
 
3010 M.P. for Canterbury 13 Edw. III, 1339-40
living 1 March, 2 Edw. III 1352;
dead 33 Edw. III. 1359-60, when his widow was the wife of William de Apuldrefield 
DE FROGENHALE, Richard (I13389)
 
3011 M.P. for Kent, 18 Edw. I. 1290:
sheriff 26 Edw. I.1297-8 and 27 Edw. I. 1298-9:
M.P.29 Edw. 1. 1301 and 33 Edw. 1. 1305, 
APULDERFIELD, Henry IV de (I12595)
 
3012 M.P. for Kent, 31 Edw. III, 1357-8,
M.P. for Kent, 34 Edw. III, 1360-1,
M.P. for Kent, 36 Edw. III 1362-3,
M.P. for Kent, 37 Edw. III 1363-4,
M.P. for Kent, 38 Edw. III 1364-5
M.P. for Kent, 43 Edw. III, 1369-70
M.P. for Kent, 45 Edw. III, (twice) 1371-20
Living 5 Sep, 46 Edw. III. 1372. 
DE APULDREFIELD, Sir Thomas (I13384)
 
3013 Maggie was residing in the home with her parents during the census of 1891 and 1901. See enumerations attached to her father. CAMPBELL, Maggie Jane (I10570)
 
3014 Maidstone 1839
Hyland, John, grocer, King Street

1841 A papermaker 
HYLAND, John (I10710)
 
3015 Maidstone monumental inscriptions for Hodges C 70 and Y 372

no Tussler

C70
Here lieth the body of Mr. George Hodges of Maidstone upholster who departed this life July the ___ 1688 aged 33 years
Elizabeth wife of the late John Hodges of Wrotham, Surgeon was buried November the 28 1709 aged 4--- years.

Y372
In memory of C.E. John Hodges of this parish who died November 11 1852 aged 58 years and Jane Hodges wife of the above who died April 22, 1858 agd 64 years
Christopher Hodges, late of Brenchley who died June 9 1803 aged 22 years J.H. J.H.


Maidstone Land Tax Assessments 5 Oct 1799 show Edward Hodges occupying property on East Lane and Gabriel's Hill in Maidstone with John Bonney and Thomas Chittenden that belonged to Robert Pope, Esq and valued at 7-8-0 
HODGES, Edward (I6183)
 
3016 Maidstone Telegraph 07 January 1871, p. 6
ACCIDENT. - On Friday, a young man, named Abraham Taylor, in the employ of Mr. Charles Chambers of Langley Park, was driving a wagon and horses, when he slipped in front of the wheels, and the wagon, with its contents weighing about four tons, passed over his arm. Fortunately no bones were broken, but his arm was severely lacerated. Under treatment at the West Kent General Hospital he is now progressing favourably.


Kent & Sussex Courier 02 September 1887, p. 3
HARVEST HOME. - On Saturday last a gathering, which served to remind one of the happy days when this, our island home, was designated "Merrie England," took place at Langley Park, near Maidstone, when Mr. Charles Chambers entertained the whole of his workpeople in good old English fashion, by way of celebrating the ingathering of a plentiful harvest and the Jubilee year of her Majesty's reign. Coming from a stock of Kentish yeomen, Mr. Chambers is a thorough agriculturist, and by dint of perseverance and the exercise of sound judgment he is one of those very few fortunate tenant farmers who are able to hold their own in these depressed times. He has under cultivation about 1,300 acres of and situate in the parishes of Langley, Yalding, Est and West Farleigh, Biddenden, Maidstone, Otham, and Chart Sutton. It was the labourers, with their wives and families, to the number of about 500, employed in the cultivation of these farms, who were invited to the feast, and the weather being gloriously fine, all were enabled to join in the festivities without let or hindrance.

Gravesend Reporter, North Kent and South Essex Advertiser 21 November 1891, p. 4
MARRIAGES.
CHAMBERS-DUDDING. - On the 11th November, at the Parish Church, Southfleet, by the Rev. H. Prentice, rector of Langley, near Maidstone, William Chambers, second son of Charles Chambers of Langley Park, to Cecilia Dudding, eldest daughter of Mrs. William Chambers, of Manor House, Southfleet, near Gravesend.


East Kent Gazette 05 May 1917, p. 3
DEATH OF A MID-KENT AGRICULTURIST.

Mr. William Chambers, of Buston Manor, Hunton, one of the best known farmers in Mid-Kent, and a member of a family prominent in the agricultural life of the county has died, after a lingering illness, at the age of 54. The third son of the late Mr. Charles Chambers, of Langley Park, Langley, he farmed on an extensive scale, and devoted his life to the work of his farm at Buston Manor. He was a successful hop grower, and as a young man served in the Q. O. West Kent Yeomanry. The funeral took place on Saturday.


Kent & Sussex Courier 19 April 1946, p. 4
MRS. C. CHAMBERS, aged 78, who died on Friday in Daeldonald Nursing Home at St. Leonard's resided for some years with her son and daughter-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. Claud E. Chambers at East Elfords, Hawkhurst. She was the widow of Mr. William Chambers, farmer and hop grower of Buston Manor, Hunton, Kent and leaves on son and four grandchildren.




Kent & Sussex Courier 27 July 1906, p. 3
REMANDED.
John Martin, labourer, Hunton, who was discharged from gaol only on Saturday after serving 14 days for the theft of a gun, was remanded until Wednesday on a charge of stealing four leather housings, value 36s, the property of William Chambers, of Hunton.

Kent & Sussex Courier 01 August 1900, p. 1
TO FRUITERERS, SALESMEN AND OTHERS.
ANNUAL HARD FRUIT SALES.
At the King's Head Hotel, Wateringbury, on Friday, August 3rd, at 5:30 o'clock:
New Barnes Farm, Yalding. - About 18 acres of Apples and Damsons for Mr. William Chambers.


1861
Langley, Kent, England, RG9/506, ED 9, fol. 100?, p. 3?
Walnut Tree Farm:
Charles Chambers, head, mar, 30, farmer, 28 acres, brickmaker employing 7 ment and 2 boys, born Langley, Kent
Harriett E. Chambers, wife, mar, 27, born Maidstone, Kent
Lizzie B. Chambers, daughter, 3, born Langley, Kent
Amelia Chambers, daughter, 2, born Langley, Kent
John H. Chambers, son, 7 months, born Langley, Kent
Margaret E. Chambers, visitor, unm, 26, born Langley, Kent
Emma Cheeseman, servant, unm, 19, house servant, born Langley, Kent


1871
Langley, Kent, England, RG10/948, ED 9, fols. 116-117, pp. 16-17
Langley Park:
Charles Chambers, head, mar, 40, farmer 388 acres, employing 30 men & 4 boys, born Langley, Kent
Harriett Chambers, wife, mar, 37, born Maidstone, Kent
John Chambers, son, 10, scholar, born Langley, Kent
Charles Chambers, son, 8, scholar, born Langley, Kent
William Chambers, son, 7, scholar, born Langley, Kent
Henry Chambers, son, 4, scholar, born Langley, Kent
Arthur Chambers, son, 3, scholar, born Langley, Kent
Frederic Chambers, son, 1, born Langley, Kent
Caroline Coulter, visitor, unm, 60, born Stockbury, Kent
Frances Bottom, servant, unm, 17, domestic Servant, born Sutton, Kent
Elizabeth Goodchild, servant, unm, 17, domestic servant, born Maidstone, Kent


1881
Langley, Kent, England, RG11/936, ED 9, fol. 32, p. 3
Household Sch. 14, Park House:
Charles Chambers, head, mar, 50, farmer of 990 acres, employment 80 men & 10 boys, born Langley, Kent
Harriet Chambers, wife, mar, 47, born Maidstone, Kent
Amelia Chambers, daughter, unm, 22, born Langley, Kent
John H. Chambers, son, unm, 20, farmer's son, born Langley, Kent
Charles Chambers, son, unm, 18, farmer's son, born Langley, Kent
William Chambers, son, 16, farmer's son, born Langley, Kent
Henry Chambers, son, 14, born Langley, Kent
Arthur Chambers, son, 12, born Langley, Kent
Fredrick Chambers, son, 11, born Langley, Kent
Elizabeth Hicks, servant, unm, 21, housemaid, born Bilsington, Kent
Harriet Battin, servant, unm, 22, cook, born Brenchley, Kent


1891
Langley, Kent, England, RG12/693, ED 9, fol. 90, p. 2
Household Sch. #7, Manor House, Langley Park:
Charles Chambers, head, mar, 60, agriculturist farmer, employer, born Langley, Kent
Harriett E. Chambers, wife, mar, 57, born Maidstone, Kent
Charles T. Chambers, son, single, 29, agriculturist farmer's son, employer, born Langley, Kent
William Chambers, son, single, 27, agriculturist farmer's son, employer, born Langley, Kent
Edward C. Chambers, son, single, 22, articles Clerk law, employed, born Langley, Kent
Harriett E. Chambers, daughter, single, 20, born Langley, Kent
Alfred T. Cray, visitor, mar, 46, chartered accountant, employer, born Braintree, Essex
Lizzie Wells, servant, single, 21, cook domestic, employed, born Ulcomb, Kent
Kate A. M. Board, servant, single, 18, housemaid domestic, employed, born East Sutton, Kent


Probate Index, 1908, p. 336
Chambers Harriet Eliza of 8 Albion Place, Maidstone, widow, died 3 June 1908. Probate London 6 August to Amelia Chambers spinster and Edward Arthur Chambers solicitor. Effects GB1561 18s 11d.


Listing Text
LANGLEY SUTTON ROAD
TQ 75 SE
(south side)
1/97 Langley Park
Farmhouse
26.4.68 (formerly listed
as Manor Park
Farmhouse)
GV II

Farmhouse. Late C18. Chequered red and grey brick. Roof not
visible. 2 storeys on stone plinth with plat band in English bond
above ground floor and first floor windows. Stone-coped parapet.
Rear stack to right and to left, with corbelled tops. 3 blind
rectangular recesses to parapet. Regular 3-window front of 2
tripartite sashes and central 12-pane sash in open boxes, all with
rubbed brick voussoirs. Small oeil-de-boeuf between each. 2 tri-
partite sashes to ground floor. Central half-glazed door up 2
steps, with decorative rectangular fanlight, and with narrow
glazing-bar sash to either side. Doric porch with deep flat hood.
Plain frieze and cornice continued on Doric pilasters, over narrow
windows. Date WG 180(3?) cut in brick to right of door.
Interior not inspected.


Listing NGR: TQ7991651653 
CHAMBERS, Charles (I9665)
 
3017 Major General Richard Matthews RUCK and Colonel Oliver Edwal RUCK were career soldiers (in the Royal Engineers Submarine Mining Division) so don't always appear in the censuses. Richard was part of the War Cabinet in the Great War and was knighted in 1920.

Richard and Oliver both played in FA Cup finals in different years - Richard's team won and Oliver's lost!!!!!

Oliver Edwal Ruck. Lieutenant, 28-1-1875; Captain, 28-1-1886; Major, 3-11-1894. War Service: Transvaal, 1881.
Richard Matthews Ruck. Lieutenant, 2-8-1871; Captain, 2-8-1883; Major, 17-12-1889; Lieutenant Colonel, 31-12-1896.


At least one voyage in the life of Oliver Edwal has made it into public records. The Ellis Island website lists the arrival at Ellis Island, New York City of O.E. Ruck and his wife and two children, Laurence, aged 12 years and Mary, aged 8 years. Oliver was 42 and his wife 35 years at the time. The family arrived 30 March 1897 via the ship Trinidad sailing out of the port of Hamilton, Bermuda. That must have been quite a trip for the young children - memories that would have stayed with them for the remainder of their lives. 
RUCK, Oliver Edwal R.E. (I5888)
 
3018 Major General Richard Matthews RUCK and Colonel Oliver Edwal RUCK were career soldiers (in the Royal Engineers Submarine Mining Division) so don't always appear in the censuses. Richard was part of the War Cabinet in the Great War and was knighted in 1920.
Richard and Oliver both played in FA Cup finals in different years - Richard's team won and Oliver's lost!!!!!

Oliver Edwal Ruck. Lieutenant, 28-1-1875; Captain, 28-1-1886; Major, 3-11-1894. War Service: Transvaal, 1881.
Richard Matthews Ruck. Lieutenant, 2-8-1871; Captain, 2-8-1883; Major, 17-12-1889; Lieutenant Colonel, 31-12-1896. 
RUCK, Sir, Major-General Richard Matthews (I3529)
 
3019 Major R.A. BRIDGES, Edward Jacob (I8437)
 
3020 Major Royal Berks. Regt. CARTER, Francis Charles (I9545)
 
3021 Maltster of Faversham SHARP, John (I9429)
 
3022 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I11045)
 
3023 Manor of Lamayle - in Egloshayle, Cornwall

Parochial and Family History of the Parish of Egloshayle in the County of Cornwall., by Sir John Maclean, F.S.A., pp 40-41. London: Nichols & Sons, 25 Parliament Street, 1871.

This ancient Manor is not mentioned by any previous historian of the county, and we regret to add that we are not, at present, enabled to give so much information concerning it as we should desire to do. It was held of the Manor of Trembleith, which itself is held of the Manor of Burneyre, in socage. On 3rd August, 1346 (Inq. p. m. 26th Edw III. No. 33.), Sir John Daune, Chr., died seized of the Manor of Trembleith with its appurtenances, which he held of John de Arundell, in socage; and in 1436 (Inq. p.m. 13th Henry VI., No. 39.) Sir John Arundell died seized, inter alia, of the Manor of Trembleith which he held of the Bishop of Exeter, as did also his son, in 1441 *. Laurence Arundell held the Manor of Lamayle of the Arundells of Lanherne, and by his coheirs it was carried into the families of Roscarrock, Kympe, and Boscawen+.

John Roscarrock died seized, inter alia, of this manor on 25th October 1537++ when it passed to Richard Roscarrock his son and heir; by whom, in 1569, it was held jointly with Nicholas Boscawen and Thomas Kympe, of John Arundell of Lanherne, Knt., as appears from the annexed extract from the Rental of the Roscarrock Estates, dated in that year.

* Inq p.m. 20th Henry II., No. 33
+ Eva, daughter and coheir of Laurence Arundell of Bleboll, son of Sir Romfry Arundell of Lanherne by Alice daughter and heir of Sir John de Lanherne, married William Roscarrock, who was living in 9th Edward II. Laurence Arundell witnessed a deed dated at Egglosheil, 34th Edw., I
II Escheator's Inquisitions, 28th and 29th Henry VIII


Manerium de Lamayle cum pertinentiis tenetur de Johanne Arundell de Lanherne, Milite, ut de Manerio suo de Trembleith per servieium unius ffeodi, Militis, Glocestrie, ut patet per diversos compotus dicti Johannis Arundell. Et predictus Johannes Arundell tenet predictum Manerium de Lamayle cum diversis parcellis: Videlicet, Lamayle, Kystall, Trevylder, Trefurthen, de Episcopo Exoniensi ut de Manerio duo Burneyre, in soccagio, et per Relevium de xiis vi d quadrantem. Et per reddit xiiis viiid ut patet per Rentale de Burneyre remanens in manibus Johannis Kystall, Armigeri, ffirmarii ibidem quos quidem xiiis viiid Ricardus Roskarrok, Thomas Kympe, et Nicholaus Boscawen, Armigeri, domini Manerii predicti soluent domino de Burneyre per manibus Johannis Arundell, Militis, domini de Trembleith predicti ut coheredes Laurencii Arundell antecessoris sui.

The manor of Lamayle with the appurtenances is held of John Arundell of Lanherne, knight, as of his manor of Trembleith by the service of one fee, knight, of Gloucester, as is clear from the different accounts of the said John Arundell. And the aforesaid John Arundell holds the aforesaid manor of Lamayle with different parcels: namely, Lamayle, Kystall, Trevylder, Trefurthen, Bishop of Exeter, as of the manor of Burneyre, in soccage, and by the relief of 13 d. And by rendering the xiii viiid, as appears by the Rental of Burneyre remaining in the hands of John Kystall, Esquire, the tenants of the said manor, whom Richard Roskarrok, Thomas Kympe, and Nicholas Boscawen, Esquire, lord of the aforesaid manor shall pay to the lord of Burney by the hands of John Arundell, knight, lord of Tremblet the aforesaid as coheirs of Lawrence Arundell his ancestor.

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Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 02
Arundell of Cornwall by Walter Hawken Tregellas
Arundell, Blanche

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1904 Errata appended.

ARUNDELL of Cornwall. The Arundells are amongst the few Cornish families of Norman origin, and there are still fewer of French extraction who have for so long a period as at least five or six centuries been, like them, traceable in that county. It will be convenient, before referring to the more celebrated members of the family, to briefly sketch the history of the three principal stems — viz. the Arundells of Lanherne, Trerice, and Tolverne — and to add a few words about the minor Arundells.

The Arundells of Lanherne — 'the Great Arundells' as they were styled — appear to have settled in Cornwall, about the middle of the thirteenth century, at the place so called (now the site of a nunnery), situated on the western slope of a wooded valley, lying between St. Columb Major and the sea; or possibly before that time at a place in the adjoining parish of St. Ervan, named Trembleath (Journal of Royal Institution of Cornwall, September 1876, pp. 285-93). A very early member of the family, Roger, was marshal of England; and according to the Exeter Cathedral 'Martyrologium,' William de Arundell, who died in 1246, was a canon of that cathedral; about the same time a Roger Arundell lived opposite St. Stephen's church in that city. In 1260 a Sir Ralph Arundell was sheriff of Cornwall; and a few years later we find a John Arundell holding lands at Efford, near Bude, and other Arundells were landowners in the eastern part of the county. Of the Sir John Arundell, the story of whose expedition against the Duke of Brittany in 1379 is recorded by the chroniclers, a separate and fuller account is given below. His grandson, Sir John Arundell, K.B., ' the Magnificent,' was a great church benefactor (notably to the celebrated lost church of St. Piran-in-the-Sands — Perranzabulæ), and, according to his will, dated 18 April 1433, possessed no less than fifty-two complete suits of cloth of gold (cf. Harl. MSS. 1074, art. 203, fo. 3228). He was a naval commander, and was sheriff of Cornwall four times, and M.P. for the county in 1422-3. The Arundells intermarried with most of the old Cornish families — nearly all of them now extinct — thus adding considerably to their vast possessions, until at length, in the twenty-ninth year of Henry VI, John Arundell, born about 1421, had become the largest free tenant in Cornwall, his estates being of the value of 2,000l. per annum. He was sheriff and admiral of Cornwall, and a general for Henry VI in his French wars, but was attainted in 1483. The Arundells acquired Lanherne by marriage with the heiress of that family; and they also formed, at different periods, alliances with the Carminows, the Grenvilles, the Bevils, the Lambournes, the Carews, the Trevanions, the Erisys, and other Cornish families. Another John Arundell was bishop of Exeter (1502-4); and of him too, as well as of another member of the Lanherne family, who became bishop of Chichester in 1458, fuller accounts will appear below. A grandson of the above-named admiral — also a Sir John Arundell — was made knight-banneret on the field of Therouenne, died in 1545, and was buried in the church of St, Mary Wolnoth, Lombard Street. He was the father of the erudite Mary Arundell. Another Sir John Arundell, who died in 1589 — or, according to the Isleworth Register (Oliver's Collections), in 1591 — at Isleworth, was converted to Catholicism, as Dodd tells us in his 'Church History,' by Father Cornelius (a native of the neighbouring town of Bodmin). In defence of Cornelius Sir John Arundell lost his own liberty, and was confined for nine years in Ely Palace, Holborn (cf. Morris's Troubles of our Catholic Forefathers, 1875; Simpson's Edmund Campion, 1867; and Challoner's Memoirs of Missionary Priests, 1803). The next prominent members of the Lanherne family are Sir Thomas (d.1552) and Humphry Arundell (1513-1549-50), of both of whom accounts are given below. From Sir John Arundell, the knight-banneret of Therouenne, descended the Arundells of Wardour Castle; and by the marriage of Mary Arundell, in 1739, to Henry, seventh Baron Arundell of Wardour, the Lanherne and Wardour branches of the family were, after a separation of more than two centuries, reunited.

The Arundells of Trerice were seated in the parish of Newlyn, about five miles south of Lanherne; and some fine portions remain of their mansion of the sixteenth century. At an early period they had another residence at Allerford in West Somerset, but they were seated at Trerice at least as early as the reign of Edward III. At first they bore different arms from the Lanherne Arundells, apparently owing to a difference of opinion as to which was the elder branch; but ultimately they adopted the same, viz. sable, six swallows argent. However this may be, 'precisely to rip up the whole pedigree,' as Richard Carew, the Cornish historian, who married into the Tolverne branch of the family, observes, 'were more tedious than behooveful.' The earliest Trerice Arundell of note seems to have been a Sir John, vice-admiral of Cornwall early in the fifteenth century. When sheriff of Cornwall he was sent by King Edward IV to retake St. Michael's Mount, which had been seized by the Earl of Oxford. Sir John had removed from Efford, by the seaside, to Trerice (an inland abode), owing, it is said, to a prophecy (Hals) that 'he would be slain in the sands.' Yet he did not avert his fate; for, on the strand near Marazion, he lost his life in 1471 in a skirmish; and his remains lie in the chapel of St. Michael's Mount (cf. Carew, 1811, p. 281). The Arundells of Trerice evidently continued in royal favour, for one of them received an autograph letter from the queen of Henry VII, announcing to him the birth of a prince, her son. Henry VIII appointed another Sir John Arundell (grand-nephew of him who was killed at the Mount) his esquire of the body. He was known as 'Jack of Tilbury.' He is noticed below, as well as his grandson, 'John Game to the Toes' — 'John for the King' — and his great-grandson, Richard Arundell, first Baron Arundell of Trerice. Carew is full of information as to this branch of the family. The male line of the family became extinct by the death of the fourth baron, John, in 1768; and Trerice ultimately passed into the hands of its present possessor. Sir Thomas Dyke Acland, Bart. An uncle of the last baron, the Hon. Richard Arundell, who died in 1759 without issue, was M.P. for Knaresborough, clerk of the pipe, surveyor of works, master and warden of the mint, and a commissioner of the treasury. Amongst the legal representatives of the Arundells of Trerice in 1829, was the Hon. Ada Byron, daughter of the poet (Gent. Mag. xcix. pt. ii. p. 215).

The Arundells of Tolverne were seated at a very early date at the place on the left bank of the Fal which gives them their distinctive name; but no trace remains of their abode, though in Carew's time (about three hundred years ago) 'amongst all of the houses on that side of the river, Tolverne, for pleasant prospect, large scope, and other housekeeping commodities, challengeth the pre-eminence.' They seem to have separated from the main stem of Lanherne at an earlier date than the Arundells of Trerice, and to have settled at Tolverne in the reign of Edward I, in consequence of Sir John Arundell of Trembleath (son of Sir Ralph Arundell of Lanherne, who was sheriff of Cornwall in 1260) marrying Joan le Soor of Tolverne. Sir Thomas Arundell, who died in 1443, is another of the early Arundells who appears upon the scene. Like the Arundells of Lanherne and Trerice, the Arundells of Tolverne intermarried with good Cornish blood, but this branch chose generally the western families for their alliances, such as Reskymer, Trefusis, St. Aubyn, Godolphin, and Trelawny. The grandson of Thomas Arundell, who died in 1552 (who was also called Thomas, and who was knighted by James I), having seriously impaired his fortune by endeavouring to discover an imaginary island in America, called 'Old Brazil,' sold Tolverne, and afterwards lived at Truthall in the parish of Sithney. John Arundell, son of Sir Thomas, one of the Truthall Arundells, was a colonel of horse for Charles II, and a deputy governor of Pendennis Castle, in 1665, under his relative Richard, Baron Arundell of Trerice; he died in 1671.

Of the Minor Arundells, the branch which settled at Menadarva, in the parish of lllogan, appears to have been founded by one Robert Arundell, a natural son of 'Jack of Tilbury.' Hals has, as usual, some odd gossip about him (Harl. MSS. 433, art. 651). One of his descendants (a great-grandson ?), Francis Arundell of Trengwainton near Penzance, was born about the year 1620, and died in 1697. He followed that unusual course amongst the Cornish gentry of taking up arms for the parliament, holding the rank of captain. The Arundells sold Menadarva in 1755 to the Bassets of Tehidy.

Another branch settled at Trevithick, about two miles west of St. Columb Major.

Various others of the minor Arundells appear from time to time (but fallen from their high estate) in the church registers in the eastern part of Cornwall: one of the line, William, more than two centuries ago, married Dorothy, a descendant of that Theodoro Palæologus who was buried at Landulph in 1637. She is described in the parish register as being 'ex stirpe imperatorum;' so that there probably still flows in the veins of many a rustic in the neighbourhood of Callington and Saltash the mingled blood of those Arundells who came over to England with the Conqueror, and that of the Byzantine emperors of the East (Notes and Queries, 4th series, vols. iii. and iv.)

[Col. Vivian's annotated edition of Heralds' Visitations to Cornwall; Harl. MSS. Brit. Mus.; Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, vols, i., iii., iv., and vi.; Add. MSS. Brit. Mus. 5524, fol. 160.]
W. H. T.

Dictionary of National Biography, Errata (1904), p.9
N.B.— f.e. stands for from end and l.l. for last line

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3024 Manorial records have helped to trace Amy at least until her marriage to John Harper in 1756. Her first husband, Henry Knowler, Gent. received lands belonging to the Manor of Faversham from his mother, Susannah during 1745. He was under 21 at that time and unable to swear fealty. The Manor rent book of 1755 records Amy Knowler on the property and assessed for 1) south side of West West; 2) north side Abbey Street and West side Abbey Street. RUCK, Amy (I3342)
 
3025 Mar Qtr. 1879 Faversham District, Kent, England (vol. 2a, p. 951)

Gregory Edward Austin Jessie Maud m 28 Jan 1879 he 21 bachelor, mariner, of Stone, father Daniel Gregory, mariner, she 20, spinster, no occupation, of Stone, father John Austin, market gardener, wit: John Berry, Eleanor Austin Luddenham PR
 
Family (F984)
 
3026 Margaret Audley was Ralph's second wife and was not the mother of Margaret Stafford as shown in this pedigree.

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Ralph de Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford, 2nd Baron Stafford (24 September 1301 – 31 August 1372), KG, of Stafford Castle and Madeley Castle[3] in Staffordshire, was an English nobleman and a notable soldier during the Hundred Years' War against France.


Contents
1 Early life and family
2 Career
3 Marriages and children
4 Death
5 References
Early life and family
Ralph was born on 24 September 1301, the son of Edmund de Stafford, 1st Baron Stafford and Margaret Basset.[4] Having lost his father at the age of seven, Ralph grew up in the midlands with his mother's relatives, including her second husband Thomas Pipe. He had his first experience of royal service, along with his brothers and stepfather, when he joined the retinue of Ralph, 2nd Lord Basset.[5]

Career
Stafford was made a Knight banneret in 1327 and was fighting the Scots shortly afterwards. He supported the plot to free Edward III of England from the control of Roger Mortimer, which earned the king's gratitude. By the summer of 1332, he was a commissioner of the peace in Staffordshire and had served abroad on royal business, accompanying Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester. He was also still fighting the Scots, commanding archers at the Battle of Dupplin Moor on 11 Aug 1332 and on three further Scottish campaigns.[5]

He was first summoned to Parliament by writ as Lord Stafford on 29 November 1336 and continued to attend until 1350.

His military career continued, accompanying King Edward to France in 1338 as an advisor and being present at the naval battle of Sluys on 24 June 1340. He also fought at the relief of Brest and the siege of Morlaix. He was captured at Vannes but was exchanged in time to negotiate a truce at Malestroit.

On 6 January 1341, he was made Steward of the Royal Household but resigned that post on 29 March 1345 having assumed the office of Seneschal of Aquitaine, an English possession in France, where he stayed for about a year. He took part in the Gascon campaign of 1345 including the battles of Bergerac and Auberoche, the siege of Aiguillon, from where he escaped prior to its lifting, a raid on Barfleur and the English victory at the Battle of Crecy, on 26 August 1346. He became one of the twenty-six founding members and the fifth knight of the Order of the Garter in 1348.[5][6]

In November 1347, his wife's father died; they were able to take possession of his estates without paying the king's homage, an indication of the relationship between them. Ralph was now a very wealthy man, from his estates and from the many prizes from the French war.[5]

Edward III created a number of new peerage titles to honour his war captains and to mark his jubilee year. Ralph was created the 1st Earl of Stafford on 5 March 1350, with an annuity of 1000 marks. He now replaced Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster as the king's lieutenant in Gascony. He committed to serve with 200 men at his own expense with the expectation of this being doubled in March 1353 at the king's expense. The campaigns provided several captives that were ransomed, but were ultimately unsuccessful, leading to the appointment of Edward, Prince of Wales to command.[5]

Even at the age of sixty, Stafford continued to command troops and act as a royal envoy, both in France and in Ireland in 1361, accompanying Lionel of Antwerp to try and restore English control.

Marriages and children
Around 1326, Stafford married his first wife, Katherine de Hastang. Katherine was the daughter of Sir John de Hastang, Knight, of Chebsey, Staffordshire. Ralph and Katherine had two daughters:

Margaret Stafford, married Sir John de Stafford, Knight, of "Broomshull" (Bramshall near Uttoxeter, Staffordshire[7][8][9][10]) and Amblecote in the parish of Old Swinford, Worcestershire,[11] ancestor of several prominent Stafford lines, most notably Stafford of Hooke in Dorset, Stafford of Southwick in Wiltshire and Stafford of Grafton in Worcestershire.
Joan Stafford, married Sir Nicholas de Beke, Knight.
He later sensationally abducted Margaret de Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley, daughter of Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester and Margaret de Clare, who was worth at least £2,314 a year, more than ten times his own estates. Her parents filed a complaint with King Edward III of England, but the King supported Stafford's actions. In compensation, the King appeased Hugh and Margaret by creating Hugh the 1st Earl of Gloucester. Margaret de Audley and Stafford married before 6 July 1336 and they subsequently had two sons and four daughters:

Ralph de Stafford (d. 1347), married Maud of Lancaster, daughter of Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster and Isabel de Beaumont in 1344.[5][12]
Hugh de Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford, born circa 1336 in Staffordshire, England, married Philippa de Beauchamp; they were the ancestors of the Dukes of Buckingham (1444 creation).[12]
Elizabeth de Stafford, born circa 1340 in Staffordshire, England, died 7 August 1376, married firstly Fulk le Strange;[12] married secondly, John de Ferrers, 4th Baron Ferrers of Chartley; married thirdly Reginald de Cobham, 4th Baron Cobham.[13]
Beatrice de Stafford, born circa 1341 in Staffordshire, England, died 1415, married firstly, in 1350, Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd Earl of Desmond (d. June 1358); married secondly, Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros, of Helmsley; married thirdly Sir Richard Burley, Knt.[12]
Joan de Stafford, born in 1344 in Staffordshire, England, died 1397, married firstly, John Charleton, 3rd Baron Cherleton;[12] married secondly Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Baron Talbot.[14]
Katherine de Stafford, born circa 1348 in Staffordshire, England and died in December 1361. On 25 December 1357, she married Sir John Sutton III (1339 – c. 1370 or 1376), Knight, Master of Dudley Castle, Staffordshire.[15] Burke reports that she died without issue.[16] However, Burke is often erroneous and incomplete, and later evidence supports that she is the mother of John Sutton IV, 3rd Baron Sutton of Dudley, probably having died in childbirth.[17]
Death
He died on 31 August 1372 at Tonbridge Castle, Kent, England.[5] He was buried at Tonbridge Priory,[18] next to his second wife and her parents.[5]

References
Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, new edition, vol. XII[volume & issue needed], p. 175
See listed building text
Licence to crenellate, see Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, new edition, vol. XII, p. 175
Lundy, Darryl (4 February 2013). "Ralph de Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford". The Peerage. Retrieved 21 November 2011.
Ralph Stafford, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. The first edition of this text is available at Wikisource: "Stafford, Ralph de" . Dictionary of National Biography. London: Smith, Elder & Co. 1885–1900.
Shaw, Wm. A. (1971). The Knights of England: A Complete Record from the Earliest Time to the Present Day of the Knights of All the Orders of Chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of the Knights Bachelors. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company. p. 1. OCLC 247620448.
Wars of the Roses A Gazetteer- 2 By Michael Ryan Jones [1]
Branselle (Bramshall) is listed in the Domesday Book as a possession of Robert of Stafford (as tenant-in-chief) whose own tenant was "Bagot" (https://opendomesday.org/place/SK0633/bramshall/)
Bramshall seems to have remained in another branch of the Bagot family as the estate of Sir John Bagot (c.1358-c.1437), MP, of Blithfield and Bagots Bromley, Staffs., centred upon Blymhill, Bramshall and Bagots Bromley (History of Parliament biog [2]
"The Erdeswyks had for many years been mesne tenants of Stafford family property in Bramshall" (biog. ERDESWYK, Hugh (c.1386-1451), of Sandon, Staffs. Published in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421, ed. J.S. Roskell, L. Clark, C. Rawcliffe., 1993 [3])
'Parishes: Old Swinford', in A History of the County of Worcester: Volume 3 (London, 1913), pp. 213-223 [4]
A general and heraldic dictionary of the peerages of England, Ireland and Scotland, extinct, dormant and in abeyance by John Burke. Publisher Henry Colburn and Richard Bentley, 1831. pg 488. From Google books, checked 30 March 2011
G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume III, page 353.
G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume III, page 161.
"Katherine Stafford". family search Community Trees. familysearch.org. Retrieved 23 November 2011.
Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1191.
Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonist by David Faris, 1st Edition, 1996, Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, pg 90
"Houses of Austin canons, The priory of Tonbridge". British History Online. Retrieved 16 October 2010.

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STAFFORD, Ralph , 1st Earl of Stafford, 2nd Baron Stafford (I13176)
 
3027 Margaret BRUCE bc 1566 married Alexander Fordyce ca 1590. Margaret was the daughter of Laurence Bruce (of Cultmalindie arrived in Shetland in 1571 and eventually built Muness Castle) and Helen Kennedy married 1559. Helen was the daughter of Alexander Kennedy of Girvan Mains
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These message board postings found on RootsWeb make for interesting supposition about the Fordyce lady in my family tree.

1. UNST - Fordyce, Cluness and Jamieson
steve_dobson Posted: 14 Jan 2003 12:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fordyce, Cluness & Jamieson
New to this family tree stuff on the internet. My family tree has a ANDREW FORDYCE of Muness, Unst. Born approx 1770's. Family story says that the Fordyces came from Scottish mainland, to help build Muness Castle. ANDREW FORDYCE married a JANET CLUNESS from UNST. They had a daughter URSULA FORDYCE who married a EDWARD JAMIESON from Ramnageo, Unst. Jamieson family of Unst moved to Fetlar in late 19th century. Can trace EDWARD JAMIESON family back to circa 1740 on UNST. His father was JAMES EDWARDSON born 1769 and Grandfather was EDWARD ANDERSON of Virse, Colvidale, Unst. Will gladly send what info I have if it helps. Regards

2. Re: UNST - Fordyce, Cluness and Jamieson
Eric Oistad Posted: 12 Jan 2004 4:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fordyce, Clark, Bruce, Fraser
Hello, I also am descended from the Fordyces who sprung from Alexander Fordyce, born abt. 1551 who accompanied Laurence Bruce of Cultmalindie to Unst. Legend has it that Alexaner was the master builder of Muness Castle, and it was his son Andrew who married Bruce's daughter. I own an old book called "Fordyce, Bruce and Clark Families" on Unst, and I looked for your Andrew Fordyce b. 1770s and could not find a match, though there are a lot of Andrew Fordyces over the years. I will keep looking, but do you have any other Fordyces or Bruces or Clarks in your line?

[Perhaps full title is "Genealogy, Records, and Inter-marriages of the Fordyce, Bruce and Clark Families at Uyeasound, Unst, Shetland", by John Clark (Superintendent of the Certified Industrial School, Falkirk.). Publisher: Thos. Paul, Grahamston, 1902 - 129 pages]

3. Re: UNST - Fordyce, Cluness and Jamieson
Bruce Fordyce COCKBURN Posted: 17 Sep 2004 12:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames:
Hi Steve and Eric, I've used a copy of the same book that Eric mentioned in his posting to trace my line back to Laurence BRUCE of Cultmalindie. in the 16th century. Then I went back along the Bruces all the way back to Charlemagne in the 9th century. After 40-odd generations it is mathematically certain that all descendants of Western Europeans are descended from Charlemagne. But I was fortunate to be able to find an actual line of descent. (If anyone spots an error in the page linked below, please let me know. I'd also be interested in other lines of descent from Charlemagne to the Bruces and Fordyces of Shetland: there are surely many others). http://www.ece.ualberta.ca/~cockburn/royaldescent.html

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1841 Scotland Census
Name: Ann Fordyce
Age: 95
Estimated birth year: abt 1746
Gender: Female
Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland

Civil parish: North Yell
County: Orkney and Shetland
Address: Cottage
Parish Number: 4

Household Members: Name Age
George Jameson 50, fisherman, born Orkney and Shetland, Scotland
Johannah Jameson 35
Jane Jameson 23
Bruce Jameson 19
Margaret Jameson 14
Barbara Jameson 1
Ann Fordyce 95, born Orkney and Shetland, Scotland

Source Citation: Parish: North Yell; ED: 1; Page: 6; Line: 650; Roll ; Year: 1841.

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My descent from Charlemagne through Hugh Capet, King of France, and Robert I the Bruce, King of Scotland
Charles I "Charlemagne", King of the Franks, King of the Lombards, Emperor of the West (b. 2 Apr 742 Ingolheim, d. 28 Jan 814 Aachen)
m3. Hildegard of Alemannien (b. 758, d. 30 Apr. 783)
Pepin I (b. as Carloman), King of Italy 781-810 (b. Apr 773, d. 8 July 810)
m. 795 Bertha of Toulouse
Bernhard, King of Italy 810-818 (b. c797, d. 17 Aug/Apr 818 as a result of blinding)
Illegitimate son of Pepin. m. 813 Kunigunda Cunegonde
Pepin II, Count of Senlis, Peronne and St. Quentin (b. 815/818, d. aft 840)
wife's name is unknown
Hubert I/Heribert I, Count of Senlis and Vermandois (b. c850, d. 900 or 6 Nov. 907)
m. Beatrice de Morvois
Beatrice/Beatrix de VERMANDOIS (b. c880, d. Mar. 931)
m. 895 Robert I, King of France (b. c865, d. 15 June 923)
Hugh "the Great" of Neustria, Burgundy and Aquitania, Count of Paris, Duke of the Franks (b. c895, d. 16/17 June 956)
m3. Hedwig of Saxony, sister of Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor
Hugh "Capet", Count of Paris, first Duke then King of France (b. c938/940 Paris, d. 24 Oct 996 Chartres)
m. c969/70 Adele/Adelaide of Aquitaine (b. 945, d. 1004)
Hedwige de France (b. c972-980, d aft 1013)
m. Rainier/Reginar IV, Count of Mons (b. c950-955, d. 1013)
Beatrix de HAINAULT (b. c1000, d, 1040)
m. Ebles I de ROUCY, Count of Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims 1021-33 (b. c988, d 11 May 1033)
Adele/Adela/Alix/Alice de ROUCY (b. c1014, d. 1063)
m. Hilduin III/IV DE MONTDIDIER, Count of Montdidier and Roucy (b. c1010, d 1062/3)
Margaret de MONTDIDIER (b. c1035/45, d aft 1103)
m. Hugh I DE CLERMONT, Count of Clermont (b. c1030 France, d. 1101 Nothamptonshire, England)
Hugh and Margarent probably came to England following the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Adeliza/Adelaide de CLAREMONT (b. c1058, d. aft 1117)
m. bef 1090 Gilbert FitzRichard de Toneburge, Lord of Clare, Lord of Cardigan (b. bef 1066, d. 1113/1114/1117)
Gilbert's father, Richard FitzGilbert de Toneburge, was probably a Norman noble who came to England along with William the Conqueror in 1066.
Richard FitzGilbert, Lord of Clare, 1st Earl of Hertford (b. 1084-90, d. 15 Apr/June 1136)
m. bef 1116 Adelize/Alice de Meschines (b. 1088/94, d. 1128)
Roger de CLARE, Earl of Clare, 3rd Earl of Hertford (b. aft 1115, d. 1173)
m. c1182 Matilda/Maud de ST HILAIRE DU HARCOUET (d. 1195)
Richard de CLARE, 4th Earl of Hertford (b. c1153, d. Oct/Nov 1217)
m. Amicia FitzRobert, Countess of Gloucester (b. 1160, d. 1225)
Richard was one of the 25 barons who signed the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215.
Gilbert de CLARE, 5th Earl of Hertford, 1st Earl of Gloucester (b. c1180, d. 1229)
m. Isabella/Isabel MARSHAL (b. 9 Oct 1200, d. 19 Jan 1240)
Gilbert was one of the 25 barons who signed the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215.
Isabel de CLARE (b. 8 Nov 1226, d. 1254)
m. 1240 Robert Bruce "The Competitor", 5th Lord of Annandale (b. 1210, d. 1 Apr 1295 Lochmaben Castle, Scotland)
Robert BRUCE, Earl of Carrick (b. 1253, d. Mar 1304)
m1. 1271/2 Marjorie. m2. c1292 to Eleanor
With Marjorie, Robert had 11 children.
Robert I the BRUCE, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Annandale, King of Scots (b. 11 July 1274 in Writtle, Essex or Turnberry Castle, Strathclyde; d. 7 June 1329 Cardross, Strathclyde)
m. 1302 Elizabeth DE BURGH (b. c1284; d. 28 Oct 1327)
Maud Matilda BRUCE (b. c1310 Dunfermline, Fifeshire; d. 20 July 1353 Aberdeen)
m. Thomas ISAAC
Jonet ISAAC (b. c1337)
m. bef 1362 John MACALAN (b. c1317 Lorn, Argyllshire)
Isabel de ERGADIA (b. c1362; d. 21 Dec 1439)
m. c1378 Sir John STEWART, Lord of Lorn (b. bef 1367, d. 26 Apr 1421)
Jean STEWART (b. c1396)
m. Sir David BRUCE, 4th Baron of Clackmannan
John BRUCE, 5th Baron/laird of Clackmannan (b. 1420 in Cultmalindie, Pershshire; d. 1473)
m. Elizabeth STEWART
Robert BRUCE (b. bef 1475 Cultmalindie, Perthshire; d. 1508)
m. 1475 Janet BARBOUR
Hector BRUCE of Cultmalindie (b. c1480 Cultmalindie, Perthshire; d. May 1529)
m. between 19 Jan 1500/01 - Jan 1501/02 Gelis WARDLAW
John BRUCE of Cultmalindie (b. 1502 Cultmalindie, Perthshire; d. Mar 1547)
m. c1546 Eupheme ELPHINSTONE
Laurence BRUCE of Cultmalindie (b. 20 Jan 1547; d. Aug 1617)
In c1571 Laurence was appointed "faud" (sheriff) of the Shetland Islands and moved to Unst.
His corrupt and tyrannical rule provoked a petition to the royal court in Edinburgh.
A royal commission travelled to Shetland and in February 1577 took evidence from 700 male
Shetlanders. Laurence was removed from office, but he returned to the islands in June the
following year as "sheriff-depute". In c1598 Lawrence completed Muness castle, the northernmost
castle (now a ruin) in Great Britain.
m. (first) in 1559 to Helen KENNEDY of Givan Mains
Had six children: Alexander; Andrew; Helen; Margaret, b. c1566; Marjory; and Elizabeth.
m. (second) to Elizabeth
Laurence also had many (c24) illegitimate children.
Margaret BRUCE
m. c1592 Alexander FORDYCE of Crail (b. c1551; d. c1627)
Alexander apparently came to Shetland along with Laurence Bruce's party.
There is a reference to an Alexander Fordyce that records that on 28 June 1601 he was a witness to a legal agreement involving William Bruce of Symbister, nephew of Laurence Bruce. Alexander is described as being a servant of William. It is not certain that this is the same Alexander Fordyce. Symister is on the island of Whalsay, far away from Unst.
Margaret and Alexander lived in the house "East Booth" at Sandwick Unst, near Muness Castle.
They had at least one child, Alexander.
Alexander FORDYCE (b. c1604; d. after 1640)
Lived in the East Booth
m. c1634 Elizabeth BRUCE of Muness Castle, daughter of Andrew Bruce, who succeeded Lawrence Bruce.
They had at least one child, Andrew.
Andrew FORDYCE (b. 1640; d. after 1668)
m. c1670 Elizabeth HENDERSON, daughter of William Henderson, the Laird of Gloup.
Reported to have had 18 children plus one child before marriage.
Hugh FORDYCE, of Gloup, North Yell, (b. c1668 before marriage of his parents)
m. c1700 Dorothy BLANCE and lived at Gloup, North Yell
They had at least three children: James, Robert and Andrew.
Robert FORDYCE, weaver in Gardie, Uyeasound (b. c1724)
m. c1753 Sarah SUTHERLAND of Clugan, Unst
They had seven children: John, Dorothy, Marion, Hugh, Thomas, Alexander and William.
William FORDYCE, tailor in Uyeasound (b. July 4, 1771, d. 1838)
m. 1793 Mary Bruce (b. Jan. 21, 1772 and d. Mar. 2, 1864)
They had eleven children: William; Margaret; Bruce; Elizabeth; Robert; Thomas Irvine, d. aged 6 months; Thomas Irvine; Joanna, d. aged 6 months; Joanna; Barbara; and Andrew.
Capt. Thomas Irvine FORDYCE, master mariner (b. Jan. 9, 1805)
Lost in wreck of brigantine "Thule" off Newfoundland, Sept. 28, 1839
m. Feb. 17, 1831 Wilhelmina Spence of Haroldswick
They had four children: Margaret Spence, b. Sept. 14, 1832; Thomas, b. June 19, 1835; William, b. Sept 20, 1837; Mary, b. Nov. 6, 1839.
Capt. William FORDYCE, master mariner (b. Sept. 20, 1837 in Lerwick)
Final command was the four-masted barque "The Falls of Halladale", which he sailed around the world in 1902.
m. Sept. 15, 1863 Sarah Thomson Govan
Had eight children: William Govan, accountant; Helen Biggar, died at 10; Wilhelmina Spence; Sarah Thomson; Jane Govan; Thomas, sailed as engineer on "The Clan Ferguson"; Catherine Farquhar; John Govan, engineer.
Catherine Farquhar FORDYCE (d. in Glasgow 1950s)
m. Thomas COCKBURN
They had three children: Sarah, John and William
William Fordyce COCKBURN
m. Nov. 11, 1950 Patricia COWAN
They have two children: Bruce and Sally
Bruce Fordyce COCKBURN
References

Genealogy, Records and Intermarriages of the Fordyce, Bruce & Clark Families at Uyeasound, Unst, Shetland, 2nd ed., by John Clark (printed for private circulation by Thos. Paul, Grahamston Printing Works; Falkirk; 1902).
Shetland Documents 1195 - 1579, John H. Ballantyne and Brian Smith (eds.), (Shetland Islands Council & The Shetland Times Ltd., Lerwick, 1999).
Shetland Documents 1580 - 1611, John H. Ballantyne and Brian Smith (eds.), (Shetland Islands Council & The Shetland Times Ltd., Lerwick, 1994). 
FORDYCE, Ann (I6337)
 
3028 Margaret de Audley, suo jure 2nd Baroness Audley and Countess of Stafford (c. 1318[citation needed] – 7 September 1349[1]) was an English noblewoman. She was the only daughter of Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester, by his wife Lady Margaret de Clare.[2] Her mother was the daughter of Joan of Acre, Princess of England; thus making Margaret a great-granddaughter of King Edward I by his first consort, Eleanor of Castile. As the only daughter and heiress of her father, she succeeded to the title of 2nd Baroness Audley [E., 1317] on 10 November 1347.[1]

Marriage and issue
Margaret was abducted by Ralph, Lord Stafford, who had helped Edward III take the throne. At the time, her worth was at least £2314 a year, which was more than ten times Stafford's own estates. (However, he eventually rose to Earl of Stafford in 1350.) After the abduction, her parents filed a complaint with the king, but Edward supported Stafford. In compensation, the king appeased Hugh and Margaret by creating Hugh the 1st Earl of Gloucester.

Margaret de Audley and Stafford married before 6 July 1336. They subsequently had two sons and four daughters:

Sir Ralph de Stafford (d. 1347), married Maud of Lancaster, daughter of Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster and Isabel of Beaumont in 1344.[3]
Hugh de Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford, born circa 1336 in Staffordshire, England, married Philippa de Beauchamp; they were the ancestors of the Dukes of Buckingham (1444 creation).[3]
Elizabeth de Stafford, born circa 1340 in Staffordshire, England, died 7 August 1376, married firstly Fulk le Strange;[3] married secondly, John de Ferrers, 3rd Baron Ferrers of Chartley; married thirdly Reginald de Cobham, 2nd Baron Cobham.[4]
Beatrice de Stafford, born circa 1341 in Staffordshire, England, died 1415, married firstly, in 1350, Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd Earl of Desmond (d. June 1358); married secondly, Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros, of Helmsley; married thirdly Sir Richard Burley, Knt.[3]
Joan de Stafford, born in 1344 in Staffordshire, England, died 1397, married firstly, John Charleton, 3rd Baron Cherleton;[3] married secondly Gilbert Talbot, 3rd Baron Talbot.[5]
Katherine de Stafford, born circa 1348 in Staffordshire, England and died in December 1361. Married on 25 December 1357 Sir John de Sutton III (1339 – c. 1370 or 1376), Knight, Master of Dudley Castle, Staffordshire. They were parents of Sir John de Sutton IV, hence grandparents of Sir John de Sutton V.[6]
Ancestry
Ancestors of Margaret de Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley
References
G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 346.
The Peerage http://thepeerage.com/p987.htm Accessed 1 November 2009.
A general and heraldic dictionary of the peerages of England, Ireland and Scotland, extinct, dormant and in abeyance by John Burke. Publisher Henry Colburn and Richard Bentley, 1831. pg 488. From Google books, checked 30 March 2011.
G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume III, page 353.
G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume III, page 161.
Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1191.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_de_Audley,_2nd_Baroness_Audley 
AUDLEY, Margaret de , 2nd Baroness Audley (I18670)
 
3029 Margaret de Clare, Countess of Gloucester, Countess of Cornwall (12 October 1293 – 9 April 1342) was an English noblewoman, heiress, and the second-eldest of the three daughters of Gilbert de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford and his wife Joan of Acre, making her a granddaughter of King Edward I of England.[2][1][3] Her two husbands were Piers Gaveston and Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester.[4]


Contents
1 Marriage to Piers Gaveston
2 Inheritance and second marriage
3 Despenser War
4 Countess of Gloucester
5 Death
6 Ancestry
7 References
8 Sources
Marriage to Piers Gaveston
She was married to Piers Gaveston, the favourite of her uncle Edward II on 1 November 1307.[1][2][4] At the time of her marriage, she was 14 years of age. According to the Vita Edwardi Secundi, this marriage was arranged by the King "to strengthen Piers and surround him with friends". Piers Gaveston celebrated the marriage with a lavish tournament at Wallingford Castle. The marriage of such a high-born heiress to a foreigner did not please the English nobility and engendered a great deal of unpopularity. Their daughter, Joan Gaveston, was born on 12 January 1312 in York.[1][2] It is alleged that they had another child named Amy Gaveston born around 1310, but there is little evidence outside of hearsay to validate this claim. There are also claims that Amy was born to a mistress of Piers Gaveston.[5] However, the evidence is circumstantial and the official records only list Joan Gaveston as born to Piers Gaveston and Margaret de Clare.[4]

King Edward arranged a lavish celebration after the birth of this little girl, complete with minstrels. However, Piers Gaveston was executed only six months later, leaving Margaret a widow with a small child. Her dower rights as Countess of Cornwall were disputed, and so King Edward instead assigned her Oakham Castle and other lands. She joined the royal household, and accompanied the King in his journey from London to York in 1316.

Inheritance and second marriage
Following the death of their brother, Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Hertford, at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, Margaret and her sisters, Elizabeth and Eleanor de Clare received a share of the inheritance. Margaret was now one of the co-heiresses to the vast Gloucester estate, and King Edward arranged a second marriage for her to another favourite, Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester. She was High Sheriff of Rutland from 1313 to 1319.[6] On 28 April 1317, Margaret de Clare wed Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester at Windsor Castle.[1] They had one daughter: Margaret de Audley, born between January 1318 and November 1320.[1][2][4]

Despenser War
Hugh and Margaret were among the victims of their brother-in-law, Hugh the younger Despenser. In his rashness and greed for the Clare lands, he robbed Margaret of much of her rightful inheritance. In 1321, Hugh de Audley joined the other Marcher Barons in looting, burning, and causing general devastation to Despenser's lands which subsequently became the Despenser War. Hugh was captured at the Battle of Boroughbridge in 1322, and was saved from a hanging thanks to the pleas of his wife. He was imprisoned, and two months later Margaret was sent to Sempringham Priory in Lincolnshire. She remained there until 1326, when Hugh escaped prison and she was released from Sempringham.

Countess of Gloucester
Hugh and Margaret were reunited sometime in 1326. In summer 1336, their only daughter, Margaret Audley, was abducted by Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford. Her parents filed a complaint, but King Edward III of England supported Stafford. He appeased Hugh and Margaret by creating Hugh Earl of Gloucester. Margaret was henceforth styled Countess of Gloucester.

Death
Margaret died on 9 April 1342, and her sister Lady Elizabeth de Clare paid for prayers to be said for her soul at Tonbridge Priory in Kent, England, where she was buried.[3][2][1][5]

Ancestry
Ancestors of Margaret de Clare
References
Harrison, B.H. (2009). The Family Forest Descendants of Milesius of Spain for 84 Generations. The Family Forest National Treasure Edition. Kamuela, HI: Millicent Publishing Company, Inc.
Hammond, P. W. (1998). The Complete Peerage or a History of the House of Lords and All its Members From the Earliest Times, Volume XIV: Addenda & Corrigenda.
Weis, F. L., Sheppard, W. L., & Beall, W. R. (1999). The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215, and Some of Their Descendants who Settled in America During the Early Colonial Years. Genealogical Publishing Com.
Richardson, D., & Everingham, K. G. (2004). Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Genealogical Publishing Company.
Weis, F.L.; Sheppard, W.L.; Beall, K.E. (2004). Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700 (8th ed.). Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Company.
Fuller, T. (2013). The history of the worthies of England, Volume 3. Hardpress. ISBN 9781313240130.
Sources
Calendar Rolls
Fine Rolls
Patent Rolls 
DE CLARE, Margaret Countess of Gloucester, Countess of Cornwall (I19729)
 
3030 Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Lincoln
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Margaret de Quincy
Countess of Lincoln suo jure
Countess of Pembroke
Born c. 1206
England
Died March 1266
Hampstead
Buried Church of The Hospitallers, Clerkenwell
Noble family de Quincy
Spouse(s) John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln
Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke
Issue
Maud de Lacy
Edmund de Lacy, Baron of Pontefract
Father Robert de Quincy
Mother Hawise of Chester
Countess of Lincoln suo jure
Margaret de Quincy, 2nd Countess of Lincoln suo jure (c. 1206 – March 1266) was a wealthy English noblewoman and heiress having inherited in her own right the Earldom of Lincoln and honours of Bolingbroke from her mother Hawise of Chester, received a dower from the estates of her first husband, and acquired a dower third from the extensive earldom of Pembroke following the death of her second husband, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke. Her first husband was John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln, by whom she had two children. He was created 2nd Earl of Lincoln by right of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret has been described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century".[1]


Contents
1 Family
2 Life
3 Marriages and issue
4 Death and legacy
5 Notes
6 References
Family
Margaret was born in about 1206, the daughter and only child of Robert de Quincy and Hawise of Chester, herself the co-heiress of her uncle Ranulf de Blondeville, 6th Earl of Chester. Hawise became suo jure Countess of Chester in April 1231 when her brother resigned the title in her favour.

Her paternal grandfather, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester was one of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta; as a result he was excommunicated by the Church in December 1215. Two years later her father died after having been accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cistercian monk.[2]

Life
On 23 November 1232, Margaret and her husband John de Lacy, Baron of Pontefract were formally invested by King Henry III as Countess and Earl of Lincoln. In April 1231 her maternal uncle Ranulf de Blondeville, 1st Earl of Lincoln had made an inter vivos gift, after receiving dispensation from the crown, of the Earldom of Lincoln to her mother Hawise. Her uncle granted her mother the title by a formal charter under his seal which was confirmed by King Henry III. Her mother was formally invested as suo jure 1st Countess of Lincoln on 27 October 1232 the day after her uncle's death. Likewise her mother Hawise of Chester received permission from King Henry III to grant the Earldom of Lincoln jointly to Margaret and her husband John, and less than a month later a second formal investiture took place, but this time for Margaret and her husband John de Lacy. Margaret became 2nd Countess of Lincoln suo jure (in her own right) and John de Lacy became 2nd Earl of Lincoln by right of his wife. (John de Lacy is mistakenly called the 1st Earl of Lincoln in many references.)

In 1238, Margaret and her husband paid King Henry the large sum of 5,000 pounds to obtain his agreement to the marriage of their daughter Maud to Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester.

On 22 July 1240 her first husband John de Lacy died. Although he was nominally succeeded by their only son Edmund de Lacy (c.1227-1258) for titles and lands that included Baron of Pontefract, Baron of Halton, and Constable of Chester, Margaret at first controlled the estates in lieu of her son who was still in his minority and being brought up at the court of Henry III and Eleanor of Provence. Edmund was allowed to succeed to his titles and estates at the age of 18. Edmund was also Margaret's heir to the Earldom of Lincoln and also her other extensive estates that included the third of the Earldom of Pembroke that she had inherited from her second husband in 1248. Edmund was never able to become Earl of Lincoln, however, as he predeceased his mother by eight years.

As the widowed Countess of Lincoln suo jure, Margaret was brought into contact with some of the most important people in the county of Lincolnshire. Among these included Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Lincoln, the most significant intellectual in England at the time who recognised Margaret's position as Countess of Lincoln to be legitimate and important, and he viewed Margaret as both patron and peer. He dedicated Les Reules Seynt Robert, his treatise on estate and household management, to her.[3]

Marriages and issue
Sometime before 21 June 1221, Margaret married as his second wife, her first husband John de Lacy of Pontefract. The purpose of the alliance was to bring the rich Lincoln and Bolingbroke inheritance of her mother to the de Lacy family.[4] John's first marriage to Alice de l'Aigle had not produced issue; although John and Margaret together had two children:

Maud de Lacy (25 January 1223- 1287/10 March 1289), married in 1238 Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester, by whom she had seven children.
Edmund de Lacy, Baron of Pontefract (died 2 June 1258), married in 1247 Alasia of Saluzzo, daughter of Manfredo III of Saluzzo, by whom he had three children, including Henry de Lacy, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
She married secondly on 6 January 1242, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke, Lord of Striguil, Lord of Leinster, Earl Marshal of England, one of the ten children of William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke. This marriage, like those of his four brothers, did not produce any children; therefore when he died at Goodrich Castle on 24 November 1245, Margaret inherited a third of the Earldom of Pembroke as well as the properties and lordship of Kildare. Her dower third outweighed any of the individual holdings of the 13 different co-heirs of the five Marshal sisters which meant she would end up controlling more of the earldom of Pembroke and lordship of Leinster than any of the other co-heirs; this brought her into direct conflict with her own daughter, Maud, whose husband was by virtue of his mother Isabel Marshal one of the co-heirs of the Pembroke earldom.[5] As a result of her quarrels with her daughter, Margaret preferred her grandson Henry de Lacy who would become the 3rd Earl of Lincoln on reaching majority (21) in 1272. She and her Italian daughter-in-law Alasia of Saluzzo shared in the wardship of Henry who was Margaret's heir, and the relationship between the two women appeared to have been cordial.[6]

Death and legacy
Margaret was a careful overseer of her property and tenants, and gracious in her dealings with her son's children, neighbours and tenants.[7] She received two papal dispensations in 1251, the first to erect a portable altar; the other so that she could hear mass in the Cistercian monastery.[8] Margaret died in March 1266[9][10] at Hampstead. Her death was recorded in the Annals of Worcester and in the Annals of Winchester.[9] She was buried in the Church of the Hospitallers in Clerkenwell.[9]

Margaret was described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century"; the other being Ela, Countess of Salisbury.[11]

Peerage of England
Preceded by
Hawise of Chester
Countess of Lincoln suo jure from 1232–1240 together with her spouse
John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln
jure uxoris
Countess of Lincoln suo jure
1232–c.1266 Succeeded by
Henry de Lacy
3rd Earl of Lincoln
Notes
Mitchell p.42
Cawley, Charles, Earls of Chester, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy,[self-published source][better source needed]
Mitchell, p.32
Carpenter, p.421
Mitchell, p.33
Mitchell, p.34-35
Mitchell, p.39
Mitchell, p.40
Cawley, Charles, Earls of Lincoln, Medieval Lands database, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy,[self-published source][better source needed]
Wilkinson, p. 65, at Google Books
Mitchell, p.42
References
Carpenter (2003), David A., The Struggle For Mastery: Britain 1066-1284, OUP Google Books accessed 28 September 2009
Cawley. C, Earls of Chester and Earls of Lincoln Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Mitchell (2003), Linda Elizabeth, Portraits of Medieval Women: Family, Marriage, and Politics in England 1225-1350, Palgrave Macmillan Google Books accessed 28 September 2009.
Wilkinson, Louise J. (2000) "Pawn and Political Player: Observations on the Life of a Thirteenth-Century Countess" Historical Research Vol. 73 No. 181, pp. 105-123.
Wilkinson, Louise J. (2007): Women in Thirteenth-Century Lincolnshire. Boydell Press, Woodbridge. ISBN 978-0-86193-285-6 (Women in Thirteenth-Century Lincolnshire at Google Books) 
DE QUINCY, Margaret (I1815)
 
3031 Margaret Elizabeth Andrews
1915–1946

BIRTH 16 SEP 1915

DEATH 18 AUG 1946 
ANDREWS, Margaret Elizabeth (I19941)
 
3032 Margaret Gay
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GAY, Margaret (I14165)
 
3033 Margaret married Sir Henry Wogan,[10][11] steward[14] and treasurer of the Earldom of Pembroke, tasked with securing war material for the defence of Pembroke Castle.[15] Henry and his father, John Wogan of Picton, witnessed an act of Bishop Benedict in 1418. Their son, Sir John Wogan, was killed at the battle of Banbury in 1465, fighting by the side of his uncle, William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke.[16] HERBERT, Margaret (I15068)
 
3034 Margaret Stafford (died 9 June 1396) was the daughter of Hugh de Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford, and Philippa de Beauchamp. She was the first wife of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland, and the grandmother of the 2nd Earl.

Contents [hide]
1 Family
2 Marriage and issue
3 Death
4 Ancestors
5 Footnotes
6 References
7 External links
Family[edit]
Margaret Stafford was the eldest daughter of Hugh Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford, and Philippa Beauchamp, the daughter of Thomas Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick, by Katherine Mortimer, the daughter of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March.[1]

Margaret had five brothers and two younger sisters:[2]

Sir Ralph Stafford, who was murdered in 1385 by John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter, half brother of King Richard II, and died unmarried and without issue.
Thomas Stafford, 3rd Earl of Stafford (c.1368 – 4 July 1392), who married Anne of Gloucester, daughter of Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester.
William Stafford, 3rd Earl of Stafford (21 September 1375 – 6 April 1395), who died unmarried and without issue.
Edmund Stafford, 5th Earl of Stafford, who married his brother's widow, Anne of Gloucester.
Hugh de Stafford, Baron Bourchier (d. 25 October 1420), who married, before September 1410, Elizabeth Bourchier (c.1399 – 1 July 1433), but had no issue by her. After his death, she married Sir Lewis Robesart, standard bearer to King Henry V.
Katherine Stafford, who married Michael de la Pole, 2nd Earl of Suffolk.
Joan Stafford, who married Thomas Holland, 1st Duke of Surrey.
Marriage and issue[edit]
Margaret Stafford was the first wife of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland.[3] They had two sons and six daughters:

Sir John Neville (c.1387 – before 20 May 1420), who married Elizabeth Holland, fifth daughter of Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent, and Alice FitzAlan, and by her had three sons, Ralph Neville, 2nd Earl of Westmorland, John Neville, Baron Neville, and Sir Thomas Neville, and a daughter, Margaret Neville.[4]
Sir Ralph Neville (d. 25 Feb 1458), who married, before 1411, his stepsister, Mary Ferrers, daughter of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers, and Joan Beaufort.[5]
Maud Neville (d. October 1438), who married Peter de Mauley, 5th Baron Mauley.[6]
Alice Neville, who married firstly Sir Thomas Grey, beheaded 2 August 1415 for his part in the Southampton Plot, and secondly Sir Gilbert Lancaster.[7]
Philippa Neville, who married, before 20 July 1399, Thomas Dacre, 6th Baron Dacre of Gilsland (d. 5 January 1458).[8]
Elizabeth Neville, who became a nun.
Anne Neville (b. circa 1384), who married, before 3 February 1413, Sir Gilbert Umfraville, son of Sir Thomas Umfreville (d. 12 February 1391) and Agnes Grey (d. 25 October 1420), daughter of Sir Thomas Grey of Heaton (d. before 22 October 1369). He was slain at the Battle of Baugé in Anjou on 22 March 1421.[9]
Margaret Neville (d. 1463/4), who married firstly, before 31 December 1413, Richard Scrope, 3rd Baron Scrope of Bolton, and secondly, William Cressener, esquire.[10]
Death[edit]
Margaret Stafford died 9 June 1396, and was buried at Brancepeth, Durham.[11]

After Margaret Stafford's death, Westmorland married, before 29 November 1396, Joan Beaufort, the widow of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers.[12] Joan was the legitimated daughter of John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, by his mistress and later third wife, Katherine Swynford. By his second marriage Westmorland had nine sons and five daughters.[13]

Ancestors[edit]
[show]Ancestors of Margaret de Stafford
Footnotes[edit]
Jump up ^ Richardson IV 2011, p. 74.
Jump up ^ Richardson IV 2011, pp. 74–6.
Jump up ^ Cokayne 1959, p. 547; Richardson III 2011, p. 246.
Jump up ^ Richardson III 2011, p. 249.
Jump up ^ Richardson II 2011, p. 244; Richardson IV 2011, p. 313.
Jump up ^ Richardson III 2011, p. 249.
Jump up ^ Richardson II 2011, p. 257.
Jump up ^ Cokayne 1916, p. 18; Richardson II 2011, p. 16.
Jump up ^ Richardson III 2011, pp. 118–19.
Jump up ^ Richardson IV 2011, p. 198.
Jump up ^ Richardson III 2011, p. 246.
Jump up ^ Richardson IV 2011, p. 313; Weir 1999, p. 108.
Jump up ^ Richardson III 2011, p. 246.
References[edit]
Cokayne, George Edward (1916). The Complete Peerage, edited by Vicary Gibbs. IV. London: St. Catherine Press.
Cokayne, George Edward (1959). The Complete Peerage, edited by Geoffrey H. White. XII (Part II). London: St. Catherine Press.
Richardson, Douglas (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. II (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 1449966381
Richardson, Douglas (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. III (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 144996639X
Richardson, Douglas (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. IV (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 1460992709
Tait, James (1894). Neville, Ralph (1364–1425). 40. Dictionary of National Biography. pp. 275–80. Retrieved 30 October 2012.
Tuck, Anthony (2004). Neville, Ralph, first earl of Westmorland (c.1364–1425). Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 29 October 2012. (subscription required)
Tuck, Anthony (2009). Richard II (1367–1400). Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 31 October 2012. (subscription required)
External links[edit]
tudorplace.com.ar Retrieved 24 November 2007
thePeerage.com (retrieved 24 November 2007)
Richard Glanville-Brown, correspondence, Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), 17 August 2005. 
DE STAFFORD, Margaret (I14895)
 
3035 Margaret was buried under the name of Margerie. MILSTED, Margaret ✝ (I4876)
 
3036 Margaret's burial indicates that she was the child of Alice. On the same day a Thomas Page was also buried at Luddenham without any additional notes. However, it seems odd that these two people, one named Thomas and the other named Margaret the daughter of an Alice, surnamed Page should not be father and daughter leaving behind the wife and mother named Alice. Furthermore, there is an Alice Page buried at Luddenham on 2 Feb 1687 noticed as a widow. PAGE, Margaret ^ (I9304)
 
3037 Margaret, daughter and sole heir of John Dacilles of Marland in Devon, named in her husband's Will. DAVILLES, Margaret (I14837)
 
3038 Marge Foley
Cairns, Queensland, AustraliaAge: 60+
MAY BE A DESCENDANT OF GEORGE KIRBY CRUICKSHANK

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1871
Darlington, Durham, England, RG10/4881, ED 9, Fol 67, p. 2
Household Sch. #9, Allan Street:
James Cruickshank, head, mar, 26, clerk at iron works, born Scotland
Mary Elizabeth Cruickshank, wife, mar, 25, born Leyburn, Yorkshire
Mary Elizabeth Cruickshank, daughter, 1, born Darlington, Durham
William Cruickshank, brother, unmarried, 28, labourer in irron works, born Scotland
Dorothy Highmoor, sister, unmarried, 16, general servant, born Leyburn, Yorkshire






1881
Darlington, Durham, England, RG11/4889; ED 27, Fol. 13, p. 20
Household Sch. #103, 18 Kendrew Street:
James Cruickshank, head, mar, 36, clerk at iron works, born Scotland
Mary Eliz Cruickshank, wife, mar, 36, born Leyburn, Yorkshire
Mary Eliz. Cruickshank, daughter, 11, scholar, born Darlington, Durham
Margaret Ann Cruickshank, daughter, single, 9, scholar, born Darlington, Durham
James Henry Cruickshank, son, single, 5,scholar, born Darlington, Durham
George Kirby Cruickshank, son, single, 3, scholar, born Darlington, Durham
Eliza Jane Ware, lodger, unmar, 33, teacher of elementary school, born Scotland



1891
Darlington, Durham, England, RG12/4040; ED 5, Fol. 102, p. 7
Household Sch #41, 22 Yarm Road:
James Cruickshank, head, mar, 46, time keeper bridge yard, worker, born Scotland
Mary Eliz Cruickshank, wife, mar, 45, born Thornton Steward, Yorkshire
Margt Ann Cruickshank, daughter, single, 19, draper's assistant, worker, born Darlington, Durham
James Henry Cruickshank, son, single, 15, rater in bridge building, worker, born Darlington, Durham
George Kirby Cruickshank, son, single, 13, born Darlington, Durham




1901
Darlington, Durham, England, RG13/4618; ED 28, Fol. 83, p. 32
Household Sch. #216, 35 St. John's Crescent:
James Cruickshank, head, mar, 56, engineers clerk bridge works, worker, born Scotland
Mary E. Cruickshank, wife, mar, 55, born Thornton S., Yorkshire
George K. Cruickshank, son, single, 23, engineers pattern maker bridge works, worker, born Darlington, Durham
Margaret D. Cruickshank, niece, 9, born U.S.A. N.B.S.
Dorothy Vasey, mother-in-law, widow, 85, born Hunton, Yorkshire



1911
Darlington, Durham, England, RG14/29529, ED 26, Reg Dist #543, Sub-D Darlington
Schedule #109
51 Neasham Road, Darlington (5 rooms):
James Cruickshank, head, married, 66, retired engineers clerk, Cleveland Bridge Works, born Old Deer, Aberdeen
Mary Elizabeth Cruickshank, wife, married, 65, married 42 years, 4 children born, 4 children living, 0 deceased, born Leyburn, Yorkshire
George Kirby Cruickshank, son, single, 33, engineers patternmaker, bridge works, worker, born Darlington, Durham
Annie Cruickshank, granddaughter, single, 18, hair dressers shop assistant, born Darlington, Durham
Original data: National Archives, Kew, Census Returns of England and Wales, 1911. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA) Series RG14, 1911. 
CRUICKSHANK, James Ralph (I5004)
 
3039 Margerie was buried as the wife of Nicholas. Margerie (I14300)
 
3040 Maria was the fifth child of John Milsted and Mary (nee Nutt). She married John Chambers and had at least one child - a daughter named Eliza who was born during 1832. Very little information is immediately available concerning Maria and her family. Although not widowed, Maria was staying with her parents at the Faversham Arms in 1841. I have been unable to determine the fate of her and her tiny group after that time. MILSTED, Maria (I2595)
 
3041 Marie A Strohmeier Annette Marie Strohmeier Lawrence Strohmeier Margaret V Strohmeier Douglas E Strohmeier Stephen T Strohmeier Weber C Strohmeier C Weber Strohmeier Charles Weber Strohmeier Betty A Strohmeier STROHMEIER, William Walter (I10189)
 
3042 Mariner HARRIS, Clarence (I18617)
 
3043 Marjorie NOLTE and Susan Dara YOUNG are 3rd cousins 1 time removed. Their common ancestors are Tristram HILL and Mary WOODMAN. NOLTE, Marjorie (I20235)
 
3044 Mark GRACE and Susan Dara YOUNG are 6th cousins. Their common ancestors are George LOCK and Edith WHITE.

Mark Grace Gedmatch #A027914
also Z424787
Gedcom ID 1004498 : P1013

FACEBOOK Message to Mark Grace in response to his message to me on 6/20/20

Hi, Mark,

Yes, we have corresponded sometime ago in the past when I discovered your descent from George Lock and Edith White. You descend through their son Thomas christened 4 Jul 1779 at Bradford-on-Tone. I descend through Thomas' sister Joan christened 9 February 1783 at Bradford. She married John Smith 26 Mar 1802 at Bishops Hull. As such we are full 6th cousins to each other. To my mother you were 5th cousins once removed.

At the time we communicated my mother was the only one who had DNA tested (FTDNA). Her kit is on Gedmatch #T487091 or #QN2542127.

Since that time I have also had my DNA tested (FTDNA) and mine is also on Gedmatch as Kit #PV4445865.

At the time we originally communicated, as the autosomal DNA was still in its infancy and as the individual shared segment amounts were low - the largest being to my mother 5.7, I think you had some reservations that there was a biological link between us.

Having dealt with nothing but small segments in my research owing to the dearth of family descendants in the most recent 3 generations of my family, I had much experience and knew that the DNA supported my primary source research. Since that time, of course the science has evolved and now with the Shared Centimorgan Project it is possible to predict relationships between people who share small percentages of DNA. That project correctly captures your probable relationship to my mother and to myself.

For your records I am sending the comparison (from Gedmatch) for my mother's kit and my kit to your kit #Z424787.

To my mother's kit T487091
Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
4 186,932,780 187,916,497 3.4 323
5 38,261,833 40,960,278 3.3 617
5 80,655,709 82,986,149 3.9 502
11 63,120,020 67,789,837 3.6 850
14 32,385,574 33,374,542 3.6 310
14 101,634,591 103,491,628 3.0 367
16 78,660,658 79,466,556 5.7 499
18 7,417,189 8,247,249 3.7 227
18 71,247,537 72,156,747 3.6 403

Largest segment = 5.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 33.6 cM (0.938 Pct)

To my kit PV4445865
Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 52,024,718 54,769,756 3.2 585
4 133,955,962 137,662,425 3.4 496
5 10,152,686 11,543,318 3.5 453
5 80,655,709 83,047,922 4.0 497
16 79,086,731 79,581,596 3.4 255

Largest segment = 4.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 17.4 cM (0.484 Pct)

So, I'm glad that you have finally come back to me. Of course, we also share descent from the White family. Since our original correspondence I've extended both the Lock and White families back to the mid-1500s along several lines of ascent.

The White family now has the following surnames in ascent:


You can now call each other and see information like Active Status and when you've read messages.
The White family now has the following surnames in ascent:FRY, MORLEY, WARE, CLEMENT, WILCOCKS and HOOPPER.

The LOCK family has added the surnames of GILBERT, TEMPLAR and SYMONS.
Susan Young
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Thank you. I will have to digest later and will get back to you

I have good coverage of my paternal C16, which is where your mum and me probably connect. She is shown in orange on the nexct image. All these connections are kniwn and unknown to the SW England area (Dorset, Somerset, GLS).

As expected, due to the small match to your mother, I didn't expect a match between you and me. While this match is small, it seems to be shared with my sister, but sibling matches are not pure triangulation.


Unlike my C16, my sister's C16 is evenly split between the SW English lot and the rest with my father's Derbyshire side.


Overall, I will flag this small segment as a possible sahred ancestry and we will see if other matches come out of it. I have a few people I need to check to see if it comes up again, like a mutual 2C from this family line but nothing. I will did around for more. I have few matches attributed to tgis part of my family.

The match to your mother is potentially consistent with our 5C1R relationship with common descent from my 5x GGPs LOCK=WHITE.

Can I ask how you decided on which Joan FRY had the ancestor families you gave? There are a few around and none in Bradford on Tone where she married. Additionally the LOCKs seem to come from outside of the village as I have not found a suitable George LOCK baptism around 1710.
Again, thanks for getting back to me.

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Regarding George Lock. His marriage in 1744, on the face of it, was a first marriage so he was likely born circa 1722/3. I have canvassed all of the parish surrounding Bradford and found a baptism in Taunton St. Mary of a George Lock 13 Mar 1726/1727. Parents were William Lock and Ann nee Townsend, William being a clockmaker residing on Fore Street. There were 7 children in this family but 4 of those children died either in infancy or in the first few years of life. William Lock died young and was buried 7 Jul 1741 at Taunton St. Mary. This George appears nowhere else in Taunton St. Mary - not for a marriage and not for a burial. So, he migrated. I am still collecting information on this proposed family unit so it is speculative at this time. In particular, I am looking into what became of his mother - who also vanishes from the records at Taunton St. Mary and his two siblings, John and Ann Lock.

The STACEY line traces back in regular order through Bradford to John STACEY born circa 1590. His wife was Dorothea GILBERT also born circa 1590. She was buried at Bradford 27 Jun 1658. John STACEY was buried at Bradford 8 Mar 1670.

Robert PRESCOTTs parents were James PRESCOTT and Justine TEMPLAR. Robert was baptised 21 Jun 1650 at Bradford. Some of these records are very faded, squashed and otherwise difficult to read. However, as a professional historical researcher and genealogist I have over 50,000 hours of experience in researching and reading British records. My specialties, beside DNA, is Mediaeval and pre-Reformation research. So, there are not many records that trip me up.

Justine TEMPLAR was baptised 4 Jan 1629 at Bradford to Thomas TEMPLAR. Unfortunately, I have not yet found the marriage for Thomas and Justine's baptism lists no mother's name. Thomas TEMPLAR was baptised 25 Dec 1584 at Bradford to Alexander TEMPLAR and Agnes SYMON. Alexander was born circa 1550 and buried 18 Aug 1633 at Bradford. Agnes was buried 10 Dec 1597 at Bradford.

As to Joan FRY, the new additions are along her husband's line I'm sending a screen shot of the pedigree I've put together for Richard WHITE's ancestry.

Laurence CLEMENT comes in to Bradford circa 1640 and baptizes 2 children there, after the time that Elizabeth was born. It appears that he also held property in West Buckland. But, I have not yet pursued this family any further back in time. All I know of Laurence's wife was that her name was Elizabeth. However, as I have no marriage and no baptism for Roger WHITE's wife, also named Elizabeth CLEMENT, I cannot say that Elizabeth, wife of Laurance in the baptisms is the mother.

Joanna NORTHCOTT is a bit of a serendipitous find. I knew Laurence WHITE's wife's name was Johanna. So, I went looking for their marriage and after trudging through the parish registers for parishes around Bradford with no luck, I turned to court records of various kinds. Then, in the Quarter Sessions roll for 1681-1682 I stumbled upon Bastardy examinations. 9 Jan 1682 as follows:

Q/SR/150/11
Description
(1) Evidence given by Joane Northcott of Norton Fitzwarren, Singlewoman, that she is with child by Lawrence White of Bradford, Husbandman also Weaver, who had carnal knowledge of her body in a pasture close belonging to Thomas Shattock of Norton Fitzwarren.
Date
9 Jan 1682
Extent
Open Access.

Roger WHITE was baptised on 8 Feb 1682 at Bradford to Laurence WHITE and Johanna. I have not found the marriage of Laurence and Johanna, not even at Norton Fitzwarren. So, it may be that they had a heck of a time trying to find a vicar that would marry a couple when the wife was so close to delivery! Again, more work needs to be done on this. As does the work required to solidify Joanna NORTHCOT's ancestry. There are two baptisms at Norton Fitzwarren of Joane and Joanna's. I have chosen the more recent of the baptisms, viz 21 Dec 1655 as the other baptism took place 24 Jul 1649 to William NORTHCOT and Joane - Norton Fitzwarren. Nottcott William Stokes Joane m 22 Mar 1646/7 at Norton Fitzwarren. Regardless of whether Joanna's parents were Richard or William, they are both sons of Elias. If Joanna were the child of William she would have been 33 years old at the time of birth of Roger WHITE in 1682. If she were the child of Richard she would have been 27 years old. Both of these are a little too old to be caught short with an illigetimate child, so, again, more work needs to be done to correctly attribute the parents of Joanna.

Lastly, Mary WILCOCKS parents were James WILCOCKS also spelled as WILCOX in the register and Cicilia HOOPPER. They were married 11 Jul 1603 at Bradford. James was buried 7 Dec 1621 and Cicilia was buried 15 Apr 1632.
Susan Young

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Thank you for all the info which I will review. On George LOCK, I had consider he was the one who married Elizabeth STACY prior to remarrying, but there is no clear information on his marriage or an age on burial to be sure which way to go.

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That's quite right. At that point I start the systematic search in all surrounding parishes out to a 12-mile radius - the 12-mile measure being the spacing of market towns.
Susan Young
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Again, thanks for getting back to me.
Regarding George LOCK, I think I will end my paper tail at the one who married Joan STACEY. I am not satisfied (based on lack of corroborative information – the Bradford on Tone records are thin with information) that the trail is clear. Since there are apparently no LOCKs in Bradford earlier, then I would assume George comes from outside the village. To make this work he is probably the one who first marries Elizabeth PRECOTT in Bradford in 1732 having settled there. He is not given of another parish. Based on records, I assume they were childless as there are no LOCK records until Elizabeth was buried in Bradford in Dec 1740. This would allow his remarriage to Joan STACEY in 1743. Based on age, het couldn’t be a child of George & Elizabeth. On the balance of probabilities, I think this would be a fit. In that case, to marry in 1732, George would be assumed to have been born in the 1710-1712 period. There are 2 or 3 that might fit, but I don’t have same confidence in the mid 1720’s late baptism to the clockmaker that you have.
On the STACEYs, I am happy back to John. It helps when they are in the same village! Ditto the TEMPLAR story.
Thanks for the leads on the WHITE line. I will investigate those further in due course.
The story of Roger WHITE is interesting, as it does suggest he was born abt 1682. This would make the marriage at Bradford between a Roger WHITE & Marjery SMITH (son John born in 1704) a different Roger. I had only found the one child to Roger & Marj so had thought he was the one remarried in 1705 to Mary MORLEY. I hadn’t found Marjery’s death to put that to bed. Obviously, they cannot be one and the same as the 1692 marriage would be too soon for the 1682 Roger.
I was wondering if Laurence & Joanna married at all. I haven’t noticed a death for her, but she may have died during childbirth and Laurence (or he paid for his or her family to) raised him, acknowledging paternity. There doesn’t appear to be any other children.
Again, my many thanks. I appreciate the level of detail in which you responded.
Mark Grace

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From Mark Grace 10 Jul 2020

Thanks. There is another person descended from Joan LOCK so you might match. She doesn't match my side (3 kits)

Hi Susan - Ali Cottey in the SOM Ancestors group is a close relative of yours. She matches your mum on 6 segments (so possible shared 2x greats inferred from the line back to Joan LOCK). There is an additional segment shown in your match to her, but since it didn't come from your mother, and the other 6 did, it is a good example of a false positive. Less than 7cM, despite the high SNP count.


Comparing Kit T487091 (Susan Young for Lillian Penny) [Migration - F2 - T] and FR1016964 (*Ali) [Ancestry]


Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
6 155,219,158 169,718,109 26.1 3,138 26.9
8 96,746,100 101,506,305 5.1 614 5.4
8 106,381,365 121,834,372 9.7 1,745 10.0
10 62,554,500 73,765,995 14.2 1,943 13.3
11 40,707,037 50,668,400 6.4 1,154 7.0 + 6.3
20 63,244 4,826,657 13.7 1,352 14.5


Comparing Kit PV4445865 (Susan Young) [FTDNA V1] and FR1016964 (*Ali) [Ancestry]

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
6 154,806,742 169,718,094 26.9 3,119
8 96,746,100 101,705,480 5.4 651
8 106,254,571 122,144,267 10.0 1,771
10 63,648,027 73,770,073 13.3 1,776
11 40,212,151 50,668,400 7.0 1,218
11 55,084,568 64,938,381 6.3 1,075
20 63,799 5,041,429 14.5 1,377

Largest segment = 26.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 83.3 cM (2.323 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 3.7


Let me know if anything is not clear.


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from SDY 20 Jul 2020

Hi, Mark,

Thank you for sending along that information. Yes, I already have Ali Cottey and her ancestry integrated into my PAF file.

She is actually a triple cousin to both my mother and I on our Somerset ancestry - John Smith/Joan Lock; Robert Parker/Anne Elliot; and, William Baker/Mary Allen. When I communicated with Ali back in February she also mentioned that she has another potential common line in the MATTOCKS in Pitminster. Once I have an update from her about her Mattocks, it may well be that we share 4 common ancestral couples from 4 separate lines of ancestry.

As I lecture in genetic genealogy I can provide the following information about the results in the Gedmatch comparisons as well as provide the reason why she may not be matching your Lock/White line.

As regards the Gedmatch comparisons two things are happening. If you carefully compare the shared centimorgans on each chromosome you will see that in most of the instances I have inherited more of those chromosomes than my mother did. This is a direct result of the recombination of genes as they are expressed down through each generation. The extra tail that I have on chromosome 11 is not so much as a "new" gene introduction but rather a flag of the first segment on that chromosome pointing the way to a potential additional common ancestry with Ali.. Her ancestry appears to be deeply Somerset rooted and I have very few details of her paternal line or her mother's father's line.

Secondly, here is a great opportunity to see the potential that hides within close genetic comparisons. If you look at the start and end positions on each chromosome between my mother and I you will see that there are variances. Looking at Chromosome 6 my mother's start position is 155,219,158. My start position on that same chromosome is 154,806,742. My end position on that chromosome is 169,718,094 while my mother's is 169,718,109. So, in effect, common ancestry to other matches can begin as early as 154,806,742 and end as late as 169,718,109. Other matches can begin earlier or end later than these two parameters but they include portions inside of these two points. However, if they have a significant cross-over of these positions, even if they only match segments in the middle of those positions, that is a reasonably good prediction that those other matches will match my mother or myself somewhere in the Smith, Lock, Parker, Elliott, Baker, and/or Allen ancestry.

Conversely, your relationship to myself and my mother involves one ancestral line only, that being Lock. As the common ancestor to us is George Lock, who sits in your 8th generation and in my 8th generation the absolute maximum amount of DNA that can be inherited by either one of us from George Lock is 0.78%. Add in the effects of recombination and that maximum of 0.78% can be as low as 0.0001% or nil. So, the lack of a DNA match or a match below the generally accepted 7 cM, in the absence of an NPE or faulty documentary research, does not disprove a genetic match. This is where the small matches should never be dismissed unless those occur in the pile-up regions. Then those can be safely put aside.

So, in relation to your relationship with Ali Cottey, you likely only share that one Lock line with her as well. George Lock also sits in her 8th generation.

I have attached a screen shot of the chart of possible relationships produced by the Shared Centimorgan Project that shows our 5.7 shared cM. You will see that it shows a considerable number of potential relationships. Note that in our relationship of 6th cousins anywhere from 0 to 71 cMs is accepted as correct with the average medium number of shared centimorgans being 18. So, the 5.7 shared centimorgans is validated as a genetic relationship.

I hope I've covered everything. If you have any questions send them on over to me. 
GRACE, Mark A. S. (I16250)
 
3045 Mark Grace who is author of creativegraces.net and has a connection through George Lock and Edith White is on gedmatch kit #Z424787

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On Mark Grace's Bristol Branches facebook page

"The same area may be the root of the LANE family. My 3xGGPs married in Taunton in 1831. Most of the LOCK girls married in their home villages, so it is unusual Elizabeth married in Taunton, a much grander location than her home village church. Taunton was the home of Robert's business and he was an iron founder.

Robert LANE was baptised in 1811 at Octagon Chapel & The Temple Wesleyan in Taunton, the 2nd of only two sons recorded to John & Mary LANE of Taunton. We are unfortunate with these two common name for couples that progress is somewhat tricky.

If my 4xGGPs were married in Taunton, then it would have been just beofre the birth of the older child, William LANE, in 1809. Candidates include (if they married in Taunton) at Taunton St Mary: John LANE = Mary PHILPOTT 6 Oct 1801 & John LANE = Mary OXENHAM 22 Sep 1808. In an unspecified Somerset place there is also the earlier 22 Jun 1791 John LANE = Mary FRIN. Assuming records are complete, then the 1808 marriage, a year before the birth of son William, would be the most likely candidate. John was probably born in Somerset around 1775-1785, if a first marriage.

As new records appear all the time, I will continue to investigate."

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burial includes notation that he resided at the "Poor House"

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Facebook Messenger sent to Mark Grace 20200627

Regarding George Lock. His marriage in 1744, on the face of it, was a first marriage so he was likely born circa 1722/3. I have canvassed all of the parish surrounding Bradford and found a baptism in Taunton St. Mary of a George Lock 13 Mar 1726/1727. Parents were William Lock and Ann nee Townsend, William being a clockmaker residing on Fore Street. There were 7 children in this family but 4 of those children died either in infancy or in the first few years of life. William Lock died young and was buried 7 Jul 1741 at Taunton St. Mary. This George appears nowhere else in Taunton St. Mary - not for a marriage and not for a burial. So, he migrated. I am still collecting information on this proposed family unit so it is speculative at this time. In particular, I am looking into what became of his mother - who also vanishes from the records at Taunton St. Mary and his two siblings, John and Ann Lock.

The STACEY line traces back in regular order through Bradford to John STACEY born circa 1590. His wife was Dorothea GILBERT also born circa 1590. She was buried at Bradford 27 Jun 1658. John STACEY was buried at Bradford 8 Mar 1670.

Robert PRESCOTTs parents were James PRESCOTT and Justine TEMPLAR. Robert was baptised 21 Jun 1650 at Bradford. Some of these records are very faded, squashed and otherwise difficult to read. However, as a professional historical researcher and genealogist I have over 50,000 hours of experience in researching and reading British records. My specialties, beside DNA, is Mediaeval and pre-Reformation research. So, there are not many records that trip me up.

Justine TEMPLAR was baptised 4 Jan 1629 at Bradford to Thomas TEMPLAR. Unfortunately, I have not yet found the marriage for Thomas and Justine's baptism lists no mother's name. Thomas TEMPLAR was baptised 25 Dec 1584 at Bradford to Alexander TEMPLAR and Agnes SYMON. Alexander was born circa 1550 and buried 18 Aug 1633 at Bradford. Agnes was buried 10 Dec 1597 at Bradford.

As to Joan FRY, the new additions are along her husband's line I'm sending a screen shot of the pedigree I've put together for Richard WHITE's ancestry.

Laurence CLEMENT comes in to Bradford circa 1640 and baptizes 2 children there, after the time that Elizabeth was born. It appears that he also held property in West Buckland. But, I have not yet pursued this family any further back in time. All I know of Laurence's wife was that her name was Elizabeth. However, as I have no marriage and no baptism for Roger WHITE's wife, also named Elizabeth CLEMENT, I cannot say that Elizabeth, wife of Laurance in the baptisms is the mother.

Joanna NORTHCOTT is a bit of a serendipitous find. I knew Laurence WHITE's wife's name was Johanna. So, I went looking for their marriage and after trudging through the parish registers for parishes around Bradford with no luck, I turned to court records of various kinds. Then, in the Quarter Sessions roll for 1681-1682 I stumbled upon Bastardy examinations. 9 Jan 1682 as follows:

Q/SR/150/11
Description
(1) Evidence given by Joane Northcott of Norton Fitzwarren, Singlewoman, that she is with child by Lawrence White of Bradford, Husbandman also Weaver, who had carnal knowledge of her body in a pasture close belonging to Thomas Shattock of Norton Fitzwarren.
Date
9 Jan 1682
Extent
Open Access.

Roger WHITE was baptised on 8 Feb 1682 at Bradford to Laurence WHITE and Johanna. I have not found the marriage of Laurence and Johanna, not even at Norton Fitzwarren. So, it may be that they had a heck of a time trying to find a vicar that would marry a couple when the wife was so close to delivery! Again, more work needs to be done on this. As does the work required to solidify Joanna NORTHCOT's ancestry. There are two baptisms at Norton Fitzwarren of Joane and Joanna's. I have chosen the more recent of the baptisms, viz 21 Dec 1655 as the other baptism took place 24 Jul 1649 to William NORTHCOT and Joane - Norton Fitzwarren. Nottcott William Stokes Joane m 22 Mar 1646/7 at Norton Fitzwarren. Regardless of whether Joanna's parents were Richard or William, they are both sons of Elias. If Joanna were the child of William she would have been 33 years old at the time of birth of Roger WHITE in 1682. If she were the child of Richard she would have been 27 years old. Both of these are a little too old to be caught short with an illigetimate child, so, again, more work needs to be done to correctly attribute the parents of Joanna.

Lastly, Mary WILCOCKS parents were James WILCOCKS also spelled as WILCOX in the register and Cicilia HOOPPER. They were married 11 Jul 1603 at Bradford. James was buried 7 Dec 1621 and Cicilia was buried 15 Apr 1632. 
LOCK, George (I12446)
 
3046 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I17540)
 
3047 Mark was still living in late 1870 as he is shown in the Canadian Dominion Directory for 1871. WELLS, Mark (I25)
 
3048 Market Garden labourer on 1901 census. WIDGER, Augustus George (I20570)
 
3049 MARR 1826

is it this one?
Name James Tappenden
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Apr 1809
Christening Date (Original) 18 APR 1809
Christening Place Westwell, Kent, England
Father's Name William Tappenden
Mother's Name Elizabeth Tappenden

or is there one at harbledown.

If the Westwell one is correct, then there could be a Stickard connection as one of the children is named Thomas Stickard Tappenden. 
TAPPENDEN, James (I15636)
 
3050 Marriage
14 Sep 1845 • Shipbourne, Kent, England
Ann Eaton; Female; Marriage 14 Sep 1845; Shipbourne, Kent, England; Spouse William Brooks; FHL Film Number 1866582 Reference ID item 1-2 p 8 cn 15 Volume: 5; Page: 395 
BROOKS, William (I18356)
 

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